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Did they invite "everyone"? I would have seen it as a problem if I had had "any" hateful guest at my wedding. When there are disagreements among the guests, okay, something you can't avoid all the time and you have to work on the seating arrangement then. But five or six guests who hate the bride ...
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I think it is no coincidence at all that there are several people, enough to write them down on a piece of paper, who hate the bride.
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I hope that at my own wedding there has been noboby who hated me or my husband.
Really, people hating bride or groom are not that common.
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I think that was only meant as a joke for the audience. It's the same as the scene with Sherlock and Mary's ex in the same episode. It's played for laughs, and it works in the show, but Sherlock's behaviour in that scene is really, really creepy.
So I personally don't put too much meaning into either of those scenes, I see them as jokes for the audience more than anything else.
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So would you say it's a coincidence that they chose this "joke" to entertain the audience? A bit unusual, I'd say.
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I personally have problems with jokes about hate.
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Unusual is good, that means they do something original.
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gently69 wrote:
I personally have problems with jokes about hate.
But you don't have a problem with jokes concerning stalkerish, threatening and controlling behaviour?
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That's the way Sherlock is. Doesn't mean that Sherlock would do something like that. He only speaks about it.
Hate is really strong for me.
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When I think back at my wedding, it could be possible that there have been people who don't like me or hubby, or maybe don't care at all - but hate? I don't think so.
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Vhanja wrote:
Unusual is good, that means they do something original.
Sorry, my question was: Do you think it was a coincidence that they chose such unusual joke?
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Wow! I am really glad that there weren't those major problems at the weddings I attended, my own wedding and five others. Well, of at least four weddings, including mine, I know that they hadn't big troubles with their guests.
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And still I believe that this little moment ended up in the episode not because it is so common and everybody knows it from one wedding or another, but because they wanted to make a statement with it. Nothing happens in this show just because we all know it from real life.
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Especially if combined with the fact that people like Mike Stamford and John's own sister do not attend the wedding.
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Good point, Solar.
Another fact, Susi, which under that point of view ...
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I think we need to be careful about not mixing levels of interpretation. One the one hand, we are discussing a character from the show and the way she is portrayed. On the other hand, we are talking about limits of production.
To me, in reality it sounds very likely that the actor of Mike has not been available. But inside the fiction, I need another explanation for Mike's absence. One expalation could be that he didn't have time to attend the wedding or was sick. One explanation could be that he too hated the bride.
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Right, there almost always is more than just one possible interpretation. And everyone has to decide for himself/herself which one appears to be the most likely one.
Coming back to that list with people who hate Mary, of course what the writers are trying to tell us could be that
- those people on the list are all idiots who simply don't see that Mary is the most lovable person in the world and they are ignorant morons
- those people on the list can think about her whatever they like, and since neither Mary nor John nor Sherlock seem to care, neither should the viewers
- those people on the list hate her for particular reasons and we should at least keep this in mind
And I'm sure there's lots more you could read into it.
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SolarSystem wrote:
Right, there almost always is more than just one possible interpretation. And everyone has to decide for himself/herself which one appears to be the most likely one.
Coming back to that list with people who hate Mary, of course what the writers are trying to tell us could be that
- those people on the list are all idiots who simply don't see that Mary is the most lovable person in the world and they are ignorant morons
- those people on the list can think about her whatever they like, and since neither Mary nor John nor Sherlock seem to care, neither should the viewers
- those people on the list hate her for particular reasons and we should at least keep this in mind
And I'm sure there's lots more you could read into it.
Here I would go for option two. There will always be someone who dislike you, that's how it is. I think it was just exaggerated to "hate" for the sake of humor, because - as others have mentioned - it can be a common problem in weddings that some people don't like the bride/groom or others, so there might be some diplomatics involved.
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Still have a problem with the term "hate" connected to humour. But that's only my problem as it seems.
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gently69 wrote:
Still have a problem with the term "hate" connected to humour. But that's only my problem as it seems.
And I have more trouble with controlling and threatening behaviour being connected to humour, although I can see why it works. We all have our own things, I guess.