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February 26, 2015 10:30 am  #421


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Did they invite "everyone"? I would have seen it as a problem if I had had "any" hateful guest at my wedding. When there are disagreements among the guests, okay, something you can't avoid all the time and you have to work on the seating arrangement then. But five or six guests who hate the bride ...

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February 26, 2015 10:30 am  #422


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I think it is no coincidence at all that there are several people, enough to write them down on a piece of paper, who hate the bride. 


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February 26, 2015 10:37 am  #423


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I hope that at my own wedding there has been noboby who hated me or my husband.

Really, people hating bride or groom are not that common.


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February 26, 2015 10:43 am  #424


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I think that was only meant as a joke for the audience. It's the same as the scene with Sherlock and Mary's ex in the same episode. It's played for laughs, and it works in the show, but Sherlock's behaviour in that scene is really, really creepy. 

So I personally don't put too much meaning into either of those scenes, I see them as jokes for the audience more than anything else.


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February 26, 2015 10:46 am  #425


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

So would you say it's a coincidence that they chose this "joke" to entertain the audience? A bit unusual, I'd say.


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February 26, 2015 10:47 am  #426


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I personally have problems with jokes about hate.


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February 26, 2015 10:47 am  #427


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Unusual is good, that means they do something original. 


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February 26, 2015 10:48 am  #428


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

gently69 wrote:

I personally have problems with jokes about hate.

But you don't have a problem with jokes concerning stalkerish, threatening and controlling behaviour?


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February 26, 2015 10:51 am  #429


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

That's the way Sherlock is. Doesn't mean that Sherlock would do something like that. He only speaks about it.
Hate is really strong for me.

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February 26, 2015 11:09 am  #430


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

When I think back at my wedding, it could be possible that there have been people who don't like me or hubby, or maybe don't care at all - but hate? I don't think so.


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February 26, 2015 11:11 am  #431


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Vhanja wrote:

Unusual is good, that means they do something original. 

Sorry, my question was: Do you think it was a coincidence that they chose such unusual joke?
 


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February 26, 2015 11:47 am  #432


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Wow! I am really glad that there weren't those major problems at the weddings I attended, my own wedding and five others. Well, of at least four weddings, including mine, I know that they hadn't big troubles with their guests.


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February 26, 2015 11:55 am  #433


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

And still I believe that this little moment ended up in the episode not because it is so common and everybody knows it from one wedding or another, but because they wanted to make a statement with it. Nothing happens in this show just because we all know it from real life. 


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February 26, 2015 11:56 am  #434


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Especially if combined with the fact that people like Mike Stamford and John's own sister do not attend the wedding. 


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February 26, 2015 11:56 am  #435


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Good point, Solar.
Another fact, Susi, which under that point of view ...

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Sherlock: "I heard you.”

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February 26, 2015 12:52 pm  #436


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I think we need to be careful about not mixing levels of interpretation. One the one hand, we are discussing a character from the show and the way she is portrayed. On the other hand, we are talking about limits of production.

To me, in reality it sounds very likely that the actor of Mike has not been available. But inside the fiction, I need another explanation for Mike's absence. One expalation could be that he didn't have time to attend the wedding or was sick. One explanation could be that he too hated the bride.


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February 26, 2015 1:13 pm  #437


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Right, there almost always is more than just one possible interpretation. And everyone has to decide for himself/herself which one appears to be the most likely one.
Coming back to that list with people who hate Mary, of course what the writers are trying to tell us could be that
- those people on the list are all idiots who simply don't see that Mary is the most lovable person in the world and they are ignorant morons
- those people on the list can think about her whatever they like, and since neither Mary nor John nor Sherlock seem to care, neither should the viewers
- those people on the list hate her for particular reasons and we should at least keep this in mind

And I'm sure there's lots more you could read into it.
 

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February 26, 2015 1:47 pm  #438


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

SolarSystem wrote:

Right, there almost always is more than just one possible interpretation. And everyone has to decide for himself/herself which one appears to be the most likely one.
Coming back to that list with people who hate Mary, of course what the writers are trying to tell us could be that
- those people on the list are all idiots who simply don't see that Mary is the most lovable person in the world and they are ignorant morons
- those people on the list can think about her whatever they like, and since neither Mary nor John nor Sherlock seem to care, neither should the viewers
- those people on the list hate her for particular reasons and we should at least keep this in mind

And I'm sure there's lots more you could read into it.
 

Here I would go for option two. There will always be someone who dislike you, that's how it is. I think it was just exaggerated to "hate" for the sake of humor, because - as others have mentioned - it can be a common problem in weddings that some people don't like the bride/groom or others, so there might be some diplomatics involved.
 


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February 26, 2015 2:04 pm  #439


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Still have a problem with the term "hate" connected to humour. But that's only my problem as it seems.


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February 26, 2015 2:32 pm  #440


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

gently69 wrote:

Still have a problem with the term "hate" connected to humour. But that's only my problem as it seems.

And I have more trouble with controlling and threatening behaviour being connected to humour, although I can see why it works. We all have our own things, I guess. 


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