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Schmiezi · December 16, 2014 4:46 pm

Even if Sherlock was attracted to Irene, that is not an argument agains Johnlock, is it?

Vhanja · December 16, 2014 4:47 pm

Schmiezi wrote:
Even if Sherlock was attracted to Irene, that is not an argument agains Johnlock, is it?

Not in my mind.

Schmiezi · December 16, 2014 4:50 pm

Vhanja wrote:
Schmiezi wrote:
Even if Sherlock was attracted to Irene, that is not an argument agains Johnlock, is it?
Not in my mind.

Just wanted to clarify that, thanks.

besleybean · December 16, 2014 5:10 pm

Only that the attraction to Irene has been shown, whereas Johnlock hasn't.

SusiGo · December 16, 2014 5:11 pm

This is your opinion. A lot of people see a lot of attraction there. Just saying.

besleybean · December 16, 2014 5:22 pm

Ok, the attraction to Irene had been acknowledged by the Sherlock team, Johnlock is refuted.

Vhanja · December 16, 2014 5:22 pm

besleybean wrote:
Only that the attraction to Irene has been shown, whereas Johnlock hasn't.

What I think has been shown towards Irene is intellectual attraction combined with an unwanted and confusing physical attraction.

What I think has been shown towards John is - to be a bit sappy - a deep trust, liking and romantic love. Not the in-your-face sexual attraction towards Irene, but the more slowly growing, deep attraction that is more lasting.

besleybean · December 16, 2014 5:26 pm

Sherlock and John refer to each other as best friends, I can go with that.

mrshouse · December 16, 2014 5:31 pm

And they say they love each other and Sherlock is equated to the bride in TSOT. I can definitely live with that.

besleybean · December 16, 2014 5:41 pm

No: Mary is acknowledged as the bride, Sherlock as the best friend.

Harriet · December 16, 2014 5:43 pm

How can you proof that? Filming, scenes, colours, text?

mrshouse · December 16, 2014 5:44 pm

I never said she's not acknowledged as bride, but if you pay attention to the best man speech and John asking Sherlock to be his best man they are pretty much the same level. And they express that they love each other.

besleybean · December 16, 2014 5:45 pm

Well John married Mary and calls Sherlock his best friend...he could just as easily have done it the other way round, if he so wished.

mrshouse · December 16, 2014 5:47 pm

We're just S3, softly, softly...

Harriet · December 16, 2014 5:48 pm

Well, that is by far not enough, bb, you see but don't observe. It's the oddest wedding ever. No love declaration, no vow between John and Mary, just between John and Sherlock.

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besleybean · December 16, 2014 5:55 pm

Have you listened to the S3 commentary?
The team are gushing about the beautiful loving Xmas scene between the Watsons...
Ah well, I suppose John can continue making love to his wife.

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Whisky · December 16, 2014 6:01 pm

besleybean wrote:
Well John married Mary and calls Sherlock his best friend...he could just as easily have done it the other way round, if he so wished.

It's just convenient that way round. Mary wouldn't like to be best friend, and Sherlock is struggling to be best man, how would he react to a marriage proposal?
The other way round would indeed make more sense to me, but if John wanted a real wedding plus a best friend, this was the way to go. Apart from the fact that Mary actually wants to marry John, but Sherlock? I don't think so...

silverblaze · December 16, 2014 6:04 pm

The wedding is filmed the way it is because it's from Sherlock's POV. That's why the speech is so important, that's his task for the day.

Liberty · December 16, 2014 6:07 pm

Harriet wrote:
Well, that is by far not enough, bb, you see but don't observe. It's the oddest wedding ever. No love declaration, no vow between John and Mary, just between John and Sherlock.

I think that's because it's about John and Sherlock. The rest of the wedding is kind of irrelevant.

(When talking about it, the aspect that fascinated Stephen Moffat was idea of Sherlock giving a best man's speech, certainly not the idea of John and Mary getting married).

silverblaze · December 16, 2014 6:16 pm

Harriet wrote:
How can you proof that? Filming, scenes, colours, text?

Well, Mary is in a white dress, that's usually the way the bride is dressed at a wedding. She's also referred to as the bride.