By the way, so even if that single red rose is from Irene: Why? And how?
So she does keep an eye on Sherlock? We know from TSoT that Sherlock is at least thinking about her from time to time, so are we to assume that this goes both ways? Could this mean that she might make another appearance? 

besleybean wrote:

Guys, can we all please acknowledge the restaurant scene happened..otherwise how the heck does the helicopter come to the cottage?!

Mum was drugged by the punch and called CAM before she fainted?



No idea.....

Last edited by Mattlocked (November 1, 2014 9:38 pm)

besleybean wrote:

Guys, can we all please acknowledge the restaurant scene happened..otherwise how the heck does the helicopter come to the cottage?!

No, I won't acknowledge it. Months went by between Sherlock being at the hospital and Christmas, there was a lot of time for Sherlock to meet with CAM and arrange that meeting at Appledore, including being picked up by the helicopter.
 

What a brilliantly creepy scene.
Totally about power. CaM has all the information on the flowers and on Mary and thus he has all the control and can do what he likes..and what he likes is pawing licking and flicking people who are in his power.
Makes me wonder what Mary @ Janine @ others had to put up with..and how far he took things with people over time.

The restaurant scene reference to hospital canteen was , I thought , a joke on the notoriously bad hospital food. Sherlock used it as an excuse to escape to a near by restaurant and sneakily meet CaM.

Perfect excuse for escaping a hospital...done it myself.

The rose could be Irene or could be upside down Moriarty
No real proof either way?

Last edited by lil (November 1, 2014 9:52 pm)

With your saline drip and in your hospital gown?

Mattlocked...! We cross-posted!

Last edited by SolarSystem (November 1, 2014 9:55 pm)

Haven't you noticed cafes @ fast food places surround hospitals @ often haves nurses Drs @ pj clad people in ?

Can't say I've noticed that either... not even in the actual hospital canteen at work...

Well, the scene really gave me goosebumps, in a bad way. It's so intimate and the power vs. helplessness... it's interesting what it makes you feel. For me, I feel like kicking Magnusson quite violently from the hospital room.
The fireplace scene never felt like Magnusson had real power over Sherlock. Yes, he confused him for a moment, but Sherlock didn't really care if he pissed into his fireplace or not (only John did). In this scene I can actually feel that Sherlock is affected, at least I read it like that. I wonder if maybe the fireplace scene was even maybe aimed at John, who is more attached to a place that's home, and who is a bit more queen and country...
I liked the deleted scene, but I'm glad it's not in the final version actually. I liked the other Sherlock-Magnusson scenes (also the restaurant one) better. I thought the restaurant scene was the answer to the fireplace scene. Choosing places.
 

I didn't think it was that far-fetched for Sherlock to leave the hospital for a meal.  Just the sort of thing he would do.  I just watched it again, and I think it really is just as it seems - he has popped out of the hospital to a restaurant.  The drip's portable (you can usually walk whilst pushing them along).

I think maybe that the intimacy between them is more creepy if the deleted scene had been left in.  "I've been thinking about you". 

Last edited by Liberty (November 1, 2014 10:18 pm)

Go look at the restaurant scene again everyone. Sherlock's Belstaff is hanging on the back of his chair. There's even a Setlock clip on YouTube showing someone walking into the restaurant with the IV drip and the Belstaff.

Mary