besleybean wrote:

I just saw The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes last night.
I should have seen it a lot sooner, but there was technical glitch, which I won't bore you with,
Anyhow, obviously I had to watch it as it's cited by both Mark and Steven as their fave version.
Well I'm glad I saw it, it was very good and I did enjoy it for a number of reasons.
But I can't honestly say I would choose it as my favourite.
I could certainly see the influence on BBC Sherlock.(and actually on Dr Who, but that's a whole other story!)
But I feel empowered now against anybody who quotes it as a Johnlock base...er no,
We do however see the origin of the gay joke, which Holmes in particular seems to enjoy at Watson's expense.

Well, the idea was not born in the fandom but brought up by Mark himself:

"The relationship between Sherlock and Watson is treated beautifully; Sherlock effectively falls in love with him in the film, but it's so desperately unspoken."

source: http://www.theguardian.com/film/2010/nov/07/mark-gatiss-sherlock-holmes

Mark names TPLOSH as the film that changed his life. I cannot believe that a film that is just playing on a gay joke would be so important to him.

Billy Wilder himself regretted later that he did not make Holmes and Watson openly gay as had been his original idea. 


 

Last edited by SusiGo (October 26, 2014 10:55 am)

I hear you Solar, I was trying to be nice!

Susi, I would have preferred it if it had been a gay romp.,..
I do not see Holmes falling in love with Watson at all.
To me Scandal was virtually a direct lift from this, re; 'The Woman' and Sherlock's attitude to her....and at least BBC Sherlock uses the canonical Irene.

Last edited by besleybean (October 26, 2014 11:08 am)

Well Susi there is the obvious gay subtext in the ballet world...
But once again John is shown as a womaiser...and did I hear correctly: Holmes refer to a passionate affair in his lab.,..or was he lying? He did refer to an engagement, which didn't seem to be for a case.
Other than that he appeared asexual.

Accatone was his first major movie. He actually used to seek for actors on the street, in Rome the Borgate, and later also in countries like Yemen and Ethiopia, for his Arabian Nights.

He was an artist who did a lot of legwork out in the field, having lived in the Borgate for some time after he had lost his teacher job due to homosexuality charges and had fled to Rome. Pasolini kept having admiration and compassion for the urban and rural poor. And he decided to let them speak with their own faces and voices in his movies. Quite some actors he had discovered watching them and talking with them later became kind of permanent staff in his films, and, like Franco Citti, became professional actors with other directors as well.
Pasolini was especially interested in faces that were unusual, often faces of people from the poor south of Italy and the like, and were not promoted by then present beauty standards for actors.

from an interview with James Blue 1965:
When I choose actors, instinctively I choose someone who knows how to act. It’s a kind of instinct that so far hasn’t betrayed me except in very minor and very special cases. So far I’ve chosen Franco Citti for Accattone and Ettore Garofolo for the boy in Mamma Roma. In La Ricotta, a young boy from the slums of Rome. I’ve always guessed right, that from the very moment in which I chose the face that seemed to me exact for the character, instinctively he reveals himself a potential actor. When I choose non-actors, I choose potential actors.
http://www.filmcomment.com/article/pier-paolo-pasolini-interview

Last edited by Harriet (October 26, 2014 11:59 am)

It has an own thread as well, if you want to read more 
http://sherlock.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=1434

Second hand sellers perhaps? I have no copy myself, otherwise I might lend it to you.

Last edited by Harriet (October 26, 2014 12:17 pm)

If anybody speaks Thai, I have a Thai copy...that was my embarrassing technical glitch!

Last edited by besleybean (October 26, 2014 12:44 pm)

Hilarious!

Pleased to hear it.

tonnaree, I gotta say that I love Kubrick's "Shining", but maybe that's because I don't know the novel. I love how it works visually, I love Jack Nicholson's performance in it. As a movie it works perfectly for me.