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besleybean · September 13, 2014 2:07 pm

Having a bit of trouble of keeping up with this...
But I feel what John missed during Sherlock's absence was the adventure and of course the friendship.
He reassessed his life,. got a job and met Mary.

A lovely light · September 13, 2014 2:14 pm

besleybean wrote:
Having a bit of trouble of keeping up with this...
But I feel what John missed during Sherlock's absence was the adventure and of course the friendship.
He reassessed his life,. got a job and met Mary.

Sorry that i was unclear, I was talking about John at the beginning of the series, as we see him in ASIP.

besleybean · September 13, 2014 2:17 pm

I did wonder...we have moved on a bit since then, but of course- much is as it was!

johnlockislove · September 13, 2014 2:20 pm

besleybean wrote:
Having a bit of trouble of keeping up with this...
But I feel what John missed during Sherlock's absence was the adventure and of course the friendship.
He reassessed his life,. got a job and met Mary.

He tried to move on we saw that john didn't know that mary is killer

besleybean · September 13, 2014 2:22 pm

Well he knows now!

johnlockislove · September 13, 2014 2:37 pm

besleybean wrote:
Well he knows now!

Without baby watson he was divorced with her

besleybean · September 13, 2014 2:38 pm

How can you possibly know that?

Harriet · September 13, 2014 2:42 pm

besleybean wrote:
How can you possibly know that?

How can you possibly know he wouldn't? It's both mere speculation.
Of course the pregnancy can be an important factor for his decision, though.

johnlockislove · September 13, 2014 2:44 pm

besleybean wrote:
How can you possibly know that?

When did john tell her "I forgive u"?? But rellay said that??

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besleybean · September 13, 2014 3:40 pm

He also doesn't tell her he's staying with her just for the baby.

Liberty · September 13, 2014 5:14 pm

Harriet wrote:
johnlockislove wrote:
I think u right and if they will be a couple it will be a big step for LGBT characters and this sherlock will be a first bi/gay sherlock
I don't know if you have seen this here already, but you might be interested in the Report of the Research Commission on the Representation of LGB characters in BBC Programmes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/diversity/audiences/lgb-consultation.html

(aka BBC policy and Johnlock )

http://sherlock.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=5303

I've seen it, but it just seems to confirm that they could have made John and Sherlock gay, but chose not to. Gay relationships aren't a no-no on TV here. The first episode of the current series of Doctor Who (a children's/family programme) had a lesbian couple (and a lesbian kiss, although I felt that was more for titillation rather than representation). Sherlock and John would have been an obvious couple and could have made a nice "incidentally gay" couple, but instead it looks like a decision was made to make John clearly straight.

Harriet · September 13, 2014 5:20 pm

Have you also read the meta about it?

besleybean · September 13, 2014 5:31 pm

Why, does this carry more weight than what is actually shown in the show and what the writers and actors themselves say?

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SusiGo · September 13, 2014 5:33 pm

We have been discussing what is shown in the show for months on end. And what is in the scripts. And that the writers themselves have said again and again that they lie for the sake of suspense or whatever. That their words cannot be trusted. There is a thing called interpretation. And sometimes there is a deeper meaning to things.

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Harriet · September 13, 2014 5:40 pm

besleybean wrote:
Why, does this carry more weight than what is actually shown in the show and what the writers and actors themselves say?

This is not about the show in particular but about BBC policy mostly.
Have you read it?

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Liberty · September 13, 2014 5:55 pm

Harriet wrote:
Have you also read the meta about it?

Yes, but it kind of confirms the same thing - that the BBC are happy to show gay characters (and want more incidentally gay characters), so there's no reason to make a character straight unless they want him to be. It also confirms the use of "gay" to include "bisexual", interestingly (John's "I'm not gay").

I think it makes a good case for there still being a possibility of Johnlock, despite what's been portrayed so far. That's all it does. (In my opinion - it's still a good read).

Harriet · September 13, 2014 6:23 pm

It says also that the BBC intends to launch a show where the main characters will slowly develop their gay relationship. Not a small project, but a real large and influential one.
And I wonder what that would be - Call the Midwife? Death in Paradise? Or Sherlock?

besleybean · September 13, 2014 6:26 pm

But why wasn't it launched as such at the time?!
Queer as Folk was right up there in the 1980s!

Harriet · September 13, 2014 6:30 pm

Harriet wrote:
... the main characters will slowly develop ...

Rest is written in the file.

besleybean · September 13, 2014 6:35 pm

And while we're at it...why is this only emerging now in some obscure meta and niot being more widely promoted or known?!