BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 » Johnlock: The Official Debate

besleybean · July 7, 2014 4:41 pm

Thanks, Susi, that was the footage I was looking for...the youtube seems to be down.
I remember at the time thinking two things:
1 He's used the actors names!

2. Please Benedict, be laughing!

I love Marcus and he and Benedict are quite good pals, of course.
I wonder if he still would have said it, if Martin had been there.

Sherlock Holmes · July 8, 2014 11:10 pm

SusiGo wrote:
I usually would not link to a rag like The Mirror but in this case it seems they got it right for once. Please have a look at the caption.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/sherlock-season-4-christmas-special-3788993

Omg I am laughing so much. That's brilliant. Someone must have put this on Tumblr already right?

SusiGo · July 9, 2014 7:15 am

That is where I found it.

tonnaree · July 9, 2014 12:48 pm

Polyaromy is alive and well on the BBC. *giggle*

besleybean · July 9, 2014 7:24 pm

And also polygamy,apparently.

SusiGo · July 9, 2014 7:28 pm

Has anyone ever considered the question if John's and Mary's marriage is valid? She used a false identity after all. If it was given to her by a state authority within the frame of a witness protection scheme it might work. If not, I am not sure if they are really married. Just saying.

Schmiezi · July 9, 2014 7:35 pm

SusiGo wrote:
Has anyone ever considered the question if John's and Mary's marriage is valid? She used a false identity after all. If it was given to her by a state authority within the frame of a witness protection scheme it might work. If not, I am not sure if they are really married. Just saying.

I have read somewhere that the marrige is not valid. for exactly that reason. But I can't remember the source, sorry. Must have been tumblr.

If only someone would use that in a fanfic ...

SolarSystem · July 9, 2014 7:36 pm

I think the question came up several times in various threads about S3, but I don't recall anyone having a definite answer to that question.
I don't think that her false identity was given to Mary by a state authority. Sherlock said that she took it from a gravestone, so I would assume that it was her very own doing. She might have had some help in making it look official, but I doubt that this help was in any way official.

SusiGo · July 9, 2014 7:38 pm

Fine. So there would be no bigamy involved. I am quite relieved.

tobeornot221b · July 9, 2014 7:41 pm

SusiGo wrote:
Has anyone ever considered the question if John's and Mary's marriage is valid? She used a false identity after all. If it was given to her by a state authority within the frame of a witness protection scheme it might work. If not, I am not sure if they are really married. Just saying.

This is an interesting thought, Susi. If John's and Mary's marriage wasn't valid - what would this mean for Sherlock's vow: not valid as well?

besleybean · July 9, 2014 7:44 pm

Well I certainly hope the bit about John is valid, at least.

Schmiezi · July 12, 2014 2:17 pm

tobeornot221b wrote:
If John's and Mary's marriage wasn't valid - what would this mean for Sherlock's vow: not valid as well?

I like to believe that Mary can be excluded from the vow.

moriartytheunicorn · July 13, 2014 4:08 pm

yeah, toats agree. i can see why people would think their together, but i think their just friends, maybe in another ife, eh? a life where sherlock isnt sociopathic, and john is gay. and mycroft, moriarty and mary dont exist.

Schmiezi · July 13, 2014 4:12 pm

Do you really believe Sherlock is a sociopath?

tonnaree · July 13, 2014 4:16 pm

Sherlock likes to toss the word sociopath around in order to hide his marshmellow soft insides.

Schmiezi · July 13, 2014 4:22 pm

My thoughts exactly, tonnaree.

(And I am dead sure that he owns a Watson teddy like the one in your sig. )

SusiGo · July 13, 2014 4:48 pm

You do not have to be gay to love another man. You could be bisexual for example. And to me Sherlock uses the sociopath term as a way to protect and shield himself. Series 3 clearly shows him as emotional and able to feel empathy.

besleybean · July 13, 2014 6:23 pm

Though not necessarily that he's gay or bisexual or anything...

JNinSoCal · July 13, 2014 7:19 pm

This is simply adorable!

Sometimes, we forget how gay the Unaired Pilot was; you can almost hear "Bella Notte" in the back-ground.

"Bella notte..."

besleybean · July 13, 2014 7:21 pm

And it was unaired.