BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 » Johnlock: The Official Debate

tobeornot221b · May 25, 2014 7:20 am

besleybean wrote:
But it's friendship. as recognised by anybody of any worth in the show.

Clear the ring for the next round! GONG!

besleybean · May 25, 2014 7:29 am

Metaphorically, I hope.

SolarSystem · May 25, 2014 8:44 am

tobeornot221b wrote:
besleybean wrote:
But it's friendship. as recognised by anybody of any worth in the show.
Clear the ring for the next round! GONG!

...and what a diversified round that will be...!

besleybean · May 25, 2014 9:54 am

Again, I hope in views and not in punches.

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Mattlocked · May 25, 2014 10:14 am

SolarSystem wrote:
Mattlocked wrote:
LoveIsAViciousMotivator wrote:
Also, when Sherlock says No, he says it really fast, but it is sharp and direct. .....

Almost a bit too fast if you ask me.
Indeed. He probably really wants to change the subject at this point - the question then just would be why. Also, he could have answered something like "Not my area, either", but he didn't. So what he actually says is that he doesn't have a boyfriend and that a girlfriend is out of the question. Nothing more, nothing less.

That's exactly what I notice each time I see it, too.

besleybean · May 25, 2014 10:24 am

He says he is married to his work.

SusiGo · May 25, 2014 10:27 am

Which is a cliché often used as an excuse or a pretext. 1,790,000,000 results on Google.

Schmiezi · May 25, 2014 10:32 am

besleybean wrote:
He says he is married to his work.

He also says he is a sociopath.
Just saying ...

BTW I like to believe that the married-to-my-work attitide changed after spending time with John.

Last edited by Schmiezi (May 25, 2014 10:34 am)

besleybean · May 25, 2014 11:45 am

Well neither his marital nor his relationship staus have changed.
But certainly he gained his best friend and has been somewhat humanised.

tykobrian · May 25, 2014 2:40 pm

Wow nice discussion all round. Really glad to find a place where active discussion is going on during long hiatuses. I'm a newbie here and I've kinda read this thread in one sitting. Johnlock is really stirring the pot in the Sherlock fandom isn't it? Two of the Johnlock threads are the most active one here. Anyways, to tell the truth I feel as the series is progressing instead of dwindling away the hint of romantic undercurrent between the leads is intensifying!

besleybean · May 25, 2014 2:43 pm

How so?

SusiGo · May 26, 2014 8:53 pm

Nothing really new but a nice summary that says it all:

http://warmth-and-constancy.tumblr.com/post/86929028150/theres-a-myth-still-circulating-in-the-fandom

LoveIsAViciousMotivator · May 26, 2014 10:10 pm

That is a pretty interesting post and at least, the person was polite unlike some others I have read. I don't see Sherlock and John being together on the show, but I don't deny the romantism in this show between these two. I just don't think of it in the way many do. Sherlock and John are both romantics in a way. John sees Sherlock as an brilliant man and I bet he looks up to him and admires that despite Sherlock's habits. Sherlock seems to admire John's loyalty and personality despite how he may judge John's ordinaryness. XDD

JNinSoCal · May 26, 2014 11:03 pm

What might be the friendly, or bromancy, explanation of this sheet in John's Case File?

Sherlock carefully trims John's photo to enhance Leonardo's sketch of the perfect male proportions. I can't think of a single innocent explanation.

tonnaree · May 26, 2014 11:07 pm

JNinSoCal wrote:
What might be the friendly, or bromancy, explanation of this sheet in John's Case File?

Sherlock carefully trims John's photo to enhance Leonardo's sketch of the perfect male proportions. I can't think of a single innocent explanation.

Sherlock innocently thinks that John is the perfect man.

JNinSoCal · May 26, 2014 11:11 pm

tonnaree wrote:
JNinSoCal wrote:
What might be the friendly, or bromancy, explanation of this sheet in John's Case File?

Sherlock carefully trims John's photo to enhance Leonardo's sketch of the perfect male proportions. I can't think of a single innocent explanation.

Sherlock innocently thinks that John is the perfect man.

He handed the entire case file to Molly: Sherlock has no filters.

LoveIsAViciousMotivator · May 27, 2014 12:18 am

Oh! I mentioned that a couple of days ago and to me, I think it shows Sherlock's admiration of John, who is in Sherlock's mind the good man that he aspires to be. Yes, I know that the image is meant to be more of physical asethetics rather than morally ideal man, but in my view of Sherlock's character, Sherlock doesn't care about someone's physical feature and yet, the ideal man to Sherlock is John because John is the good man.

tonnaree · May 27, 2014 1:47 am

LoveIsAViciousMotivator wrote:
Oh! I mentioned that a couple of days ago and to me, I think it shows Sherlock's admiration of John, who is in Sherlock's mind the good man that he aspires to be. Yes, I know that the image is meant to be more of physical asethetics rather than morally ideal man, but in my view of Sherlock's character, Sherlock doesn't care about someone's physical feature and yet, the ideal man to Sherlock is John because John is the good man.

Yes the mind and spirit are more important to Sherlock than the physical.
But he still thinks John has a fine bum.

SusiGo · May 27, 2014 11:16 am

Just discovered something nice on tumblr. You all know the "meretricious" and "a happy new year" joke from TGG. But did you know the source? The gay writer and critic Gore Vidal (last paragraph).

http://www.salon.com/2014/05/22/how_one_sexy_gay_novel_derailed_gore_vidals_literary_career/

lil · May 27, 2014 1:08 pm

Susi@Vidal...interesting and amusing origins to the joke .

@Johns face on Vetruvian Man pic....it's often thought Leonardo based that image on his young lover Salai. Some of his sketches of male nudes are quite erotic.
http://www.bnl.gov/bera/activities/globe/leonardo_da_vinci.htm