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November 19, 2013 11:49 am  #81


Re: 12 Years a Slave

And the thing with this movie is, that we're certainly not talking about gratuitous violence here. Of course you can make a film about slavery without showing violence of any kind, but it would be a completely different movie then. I haven't seen the movie yet, either, but I am pretty sure that McQueen did what he did for a good reason. I'm convinced that in this case showing violence serves a very important purpose.

Having said that, I can absolutely understand when people don't want to see violence of any kind in a movie and I would never try to convince them to go and see it if they don't want to.
And I'm not sure about the word 'pornographic' in this context, either. I would call it a graphic depiction of violence, and that's it.


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November 20, 2013 1:39 am  #82


Re: 12 Years a Slave

I was trying to think of how to explain why I understood how the word pornographic could be used to describe the violence in this film, when Mrs. Watson helped me out by posting a dictionary definition.  Thank you very much!  I have seen the word used to indicate something extreme or over the top, in the sense that something is obscenely more than the usual (whatever it is).  So because the violence in 12 Years is frequently up close, in-your-face, more graphic than typically seen in movies, and occurs for a longer duration than is common in movies, I think the use of the word pornographic is apt.  But, certainly, other people may disagree and that is fine.    I don't want to belabor the issue, just wanted to explain how/why some people might see it that way.


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November 21, 2013 8:15 pm  #83


Re: 12 Years a Slave

Tonnaree, just don't watch Shame with an elderly maiden aunt...if you get my drift. 


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November 24, 2013 10:09 pm  #84


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Davina wrote:

Tonnaree, just don't watch Shame with an elderly maiden aunt...if you get my drift.

Drift totally gotten.   I hear Mr. Fassbender is not shy.
 


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November 24, 2013 10:10 pm  #85


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Sometimes a work of art, book, music or film, moves you so profoundly that words are simply  inadequate to describe the experience.

12 Years a Slave.


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November 24, 2013 11:09 pm  #86


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Steve produces works of art, most certainly! That is his background and it shows in all of his films.


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December 13, 2013 12:09 am  #87


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December 14, 2013 3:53 pm  #88


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Yay! 


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January 9, 2014 11:01 am  #89


Re: 12 Years a Slave

Hmm... starts in Germany next Thursday. But I think I have to wait until the DVD release to watch it in the original version.
Never thought I would be so keen for English versions one day...


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January 9, 2014 11:12 am  #90


Re: 12 Years a Slave

Don't they have original versions with subtitles in German cinemas? In the Czech Republic there are two versions, one dubbed and one with subtitles, so you can choose, or there is only one version with subtitles (or dubbed if it's a film for children).


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January 9, 2014 11:53 am  #91


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Only sometimes they do. Most times the big blockbusters are shown in both versions. But most times only for a few screening and some only in smaller cinemas. I will have a look if the cinema where I watched The Hobbit shows it.


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January 9, 2014 7:41 pm  #92


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Just a glance:


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January 9, 2014 7:47 pm  #93


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Great pic.  Looking forward to see the film. 
 


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January 9, 2014 7:50 pm  #94


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I had to take it way too quickly, the bus was already speeding up 


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January 15, 2014 8:25 am  #95


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Well... planned to watch the film on monday. And also found a cinema where I can watch it in the original version.
Maybe Mary Me joins me again.


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January 15, 2014 9:09 am  #96


Re: 12 Years a Slave

Watched it last week on a preview in Tate Modern: a beautiful film (relatively speaking, giving the topic) although, IMO not one in which one connects emotionally with characters,,which is - probably - director's decision. All performances are top notch but it didn't feel to me like watching "characters", rather archetypes: a wronged man, a desperate mother, a kind-but-weak-slave-owner, a twisted-sadist-slave-owner, a bitch and jelous wife, a good abolitionist and so on. B. is beautiful looking in this and his performance is as good as we came to expect of him, but even he has to fit the logic of the movie and doesn't emerge, IMO, as a character, but rather a type. I am not so much surprised that 12YAS didn't get GG for performance. I think it deserves Oscar for the best picture or/and for the best director, but it is not "actors" film (quite opposite to AOC). 

 

January 16, 2014 3:00 pm  #97


Re: 12 Years a Slave

12 Years a Slave is nominated for 9 Oscars

http://oscar.go.com/nominees

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January 16, 2014 3:15 pm  #98


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I have plans to watch it on Saturday or Sunday afternoon. In original version, of course! Thankfully one of the small cinemas in Cologne shows it in OmU. Sometimes it's difficult to even get OV screenings in the area if it's not a huge blockbuster or overly hyped movie.


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January 16, 2014 3:18 pm  #99


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Which cinema in Cologne shows it?


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January 16, 2014 3:44 pm  #100


Re: 12 Years a Slave

The Odeon, apparently. Quite unusual, cause the OVs/OmUs usually show at the Metropolis. Never been to the Odeon, so I have no idea what that one's like.


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