I agree with all of this. But subtext or not, there are some things that are deliberately put in the script, deliberately, and which the actors are asked to play - I will NEVER EVER forget the scene in ASIB where J and S are sitting at the table having breakfast and John asks him about the text alert.

I am not implying what he says or the way he says it denotes jealousy - I am SURE of it.

Imagine yourself and your best friend in their positions. Would you EVER have that conversation with your best friend, if you are not jealous? Would you ever say, 'I'm not stupid, you know?' Why would you care so much that your best friend has a thing with someone else? Why would your best friend not just answer you, but rather hide themselves behind the newspaper?

This wasn't necessary. A normal friend would have teased the other, not gotten annoyed. Annoyed for what exactly? Because he isn't telling him? There's nothing to tell after all, and she is doing everything - Sherlock could have just told him that.

And don't even get me started on the scene where Irene is about to kiss Sherlock on the cheek, and the camera cuts to John, slamming his cup on the table in slow motion. Why the heck would he have to do that?

this is not subtext, this was put there deliberately to show jealousy. Even Irene sees that.

Hera wrote:

It's a (non-sexual, at least so far) love story, after all. It'll always be that for me and I think the intention is clear. Moftiss also said so several times. That's what gives me the most faith for season 4.   Everything will be alright  because it's intended to be a love story between these two men.

Hope so!!
Did Moffat really say this?
 

silverblaze wrote:

You people draw such sharp lines between love and friendship. 

Agree! There are not words for everything!

^ Which means John is straight and Sherlock might be straight, gay, asexual, bisexual, not-interested, whatever. They love each other deeply, it's just not romantic or sexual.

they keep all their options open. Which doesn't necessarily mean they will have sex (I don't think they should, that's not what the show is about anyway), but they might just decide to spend the rest of their life together as companions, because it just works well and they make each other happy.

Again, I am NOT saying that this is Mofftiss' intention in any way. I am just saying that they can do whatever they want.

tobeornot221b wrote:

I like your comparison of Sherlock being like a half empty flat.
Nicely put!

 Agreed! =)

lil wrote:

The scene where they confronted Mary...was very intense...where John and Sherlock stare at each other and John says desperately. ?.."She wasn't supposed to be......' I thought he was going to say you!
Thoughts anyone...?

I think that’s what he/the writers meant.
 
As in, after you left and hurt me, I looked for someone who wasn’t like you [to not risk being hurt again].
As in, John ultimately saw Sherlock as a life partner. In whichever way that could be.
 

lil wrote:

The scene where they confronted Mary...was very intense...where John and Sherlock stare at each other and John says desperately. ?.."She wasn't supposed to be......' I thought he was going to say you!
Thoughts anyone...?

I felt like it, too.
It kept ringing in my head... what he really wanted to say... idk, something like: " she wasn't supposed to be *replacing* you...
I've just watched it again, and was probably wearing my Jonlock goggles, so...

Loved both links. And I totally agree with the Moff too. Here's another quote from that article that's just what we discussed.

AR: "Maybe our identity categories and relationship categories aren’t really sufficient to describe human nature?"

SM: "I was pondering when I wrote that, why is sex so important? And has it always been this important to ever previous era of humanity? I bet it isn’t. I think we’re obsessed with it, to the point where I know a lot of people are saying ‘Well, John and Sherlock clearly love each other, they must be having sex.’ But you can love someone without fancying them. If your’e not wired to fancy someone, you just won’t. But what’s that got to do with it? Really, what’s that got to do with the important relationships? We know that love grows, sex sort of wanes. Older people, you don’t have sex as much later on as you do at the beginning. We know it’s the lesser thing. I always say, you have love stories and sex scenes. That’s the difference in stature in our lives."

Lilly83 wrote:

Ozma wrote:

lil wrote:

The scene where they confronted Mary...was very intense...where John and Sherlock stare at each other and John says desperately. ?.."She wasn't supposed to be......' I thought he was going to say you!
Thoughts anyone...?

I think that’s what he/the writers meant.
 
As in, after you left and hurt me, I looked for someone who wasn’t like you [to not risk being hurt again].
As in, John ultimately saw Sherlock as a life partner. In whichever way that could be.
 

Yes, that's what I meant,

 
Yes...I am glad it wasn't just me...it was quite a moment., TY for answers.

Gave me a callback to opening TRF and Ella..what is it you can't say...
Is it ..  I love Sherlock?
I don't think he has actually even said it yet has he? That will be a moment to wait for I am sure...