guys, let's think about this for a moment.

Everybody is saying how nice and sweet and lovely and cute Mary is, right? Well, imagine nothing at all happens, and the story continues exactly how it is. She isn't complex enough, as she is, to justify being in the story - I could see a character like this being added to a mediocre story, a romcom perhaps, but NOT Sherlock. Not a series which is so brilliantly written.

I know people are saying we all expect her to die so Moftiss wouldn't do that, but if you think about it, they do  indeed have the majority of us right where they want us (I still don't like her, I thought she was nice but plain, and to be honest now I have seen the pain she has caused Sherlock - even though it's not her fault, but it's what I was scared of. And it's happened - he is alone, and we've all seen that, even he has seen it). The fans like her, and Moftiss are going to flip EVERYTHING around in the last episode.
Think about it - we *have* seeen clues. They have peppered the whole first 2 episodes with them. Subtle, but they are there.

And once again, that baby is NOT going to happen. Maybe doesn't exist to begin with, maybe it's not John's, maybe it will die; but it's NOT going to happen.

silverblaze wrote:

It's only the obviousness that makes me suspicious. Because it would be a logical storyline. And I agree that there are signs, the baby is not gonna happen. I'm just hoping that the entire fandom has not already guessed the plot of the last episode. But I agree, it's so obvious it almost has to happen. 

I don't agree that it's gonna be because she's plain, Moftiss are perfectly able to flesh out initially simple characters and make them more interesting, see every other side character: Molly, Lestrade, Mycroft... even Anderson. 

Maybe she dies and something else happens, something more important. Dying isn't much of a cliffhanger in general (except in Reichenbach then, but then he isn't really dead). But what could happen? 
 

That's what I've been wondering, I'm almost sure she is going to die...but I have feeling that something else is going to happen...and yeah, what could it be? *imagines all the worst case scenarios* 
 

Think I'll go ahead and make myself a reservatuin at the psych ward for next Monday.

silverblaze wrote:

It's only the obviousness that makes me suspicious. Because it would be a logical storyline. And I agree that there are signs, the baby is not gonna happen. I'm just hoping that the entire fandom has not already guessed the plot of the last episode. But I agree, it's so obvious it almost has to happen. 

I don't agree that it's gonna be because she's plain, Moftiss are perfectly able to flesh out initially simple characters and make them more interesting, see every other side character: Molly, Lestrade, Mycroft... even Anderson. 

Maybe she dies and something else happens, something more important. Dying isn't much of a cliffhanger in general (except in Reichenbach then, but then he isn't really dead). But what could happen? 
 

I didn't mean she's going to die because she's plain...rather, that it's weird that she is SO plain. There must be a huge other side to her - which coincidentally brings us back to what you said.
All the people who like her have been lulled into a false sense of safety....

Okay, here's a very wild and out-there idea:

Of course, something is going to happen to Mary.  It's canon. 

BUT...  She doesn't die!  At least, not physically.  What if...there's some kind of accident and Mary falls into some sort of vegetative state or a coma from which she can't be aroused?  Maybe she's about to give birth but something goes horribly wrong and the baby dies and she...well, something awful happens to her.  Or maybe they're all just walking down a street and a vehicle plows into them and Mary and the baby are the ones who suffer irreversible injury.  Now Mary is no longer the person she was, the person John married, a person Sherlock actually likes.  She's not dead, but she's not really alive, either. 

And the vow Sherlock makes is to find a way to cure or revive Mary.  All this could happen off-screen or in the very beginning of the episode, and the remainder of the time is spent with Sherlock using his scientific knowledge, supplemented by John and his medical knowledge, to find a way to bring Mary back from the abyss.  And bring John back from the abyss, too, since obviously he would have an extremely difficult time coping.

And Sherlock would have to become even more human as he tries to find ways to comfort his friend and not let on that he might be secretly pleased that Mary is no longer in the picture and if he doesn't try real hard, he could have John back all to himself and not be as lonely anymore.  Lots of moral dilemmas could be explored in this scenario, with religion and politics and ethics brought into the episode.

Not saying I believe this is what's gonna happen, but I think it'd be real interesting if it did! 

Last edited by Sherli Bakerst (January 6, 2014 11:48 pm)

Sherli Bakerst wrote:

  Now Mary is no longer the person she was, the person John married, a person Sherlock actually likes.  She's not dead, but she's not really alive, either. 

Oh god....that would be the worst scenario

Is there not  a pirate Red Beard?
I was asking my hubby if he knew the legend of him.

I think Rebdeard is someone or something that Sherlock had in his childhood and lost due to a mistake on his part - perhaps because he was too involved. So history is repeating itself.

Yeah, I just posted on the redbeard thread. Barba Rossa was a pirate in the Midterranian.