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Be wrote:
The decision to make the actors read fanfiction was wrong. Not only because they were possibly too polite to say no but also because of the poor girl whose story was read. Of course it is published and everybody can do with it what they want but I imagine what the woman who might just want to express her love and feelings and improve her writing must feel right now after being publicly humiliated and made fun of.
Have a look at this post from a woman who can express her concern much better:
We all posted a lot of silly ideas here and on tumblr how Sherlock survived and why everything happend how it happend. At the end of the day most of our theories will probably be wrong or in parts wrong. Are we all going to be embarrassed about it? Must we fear that clever people will make fun of us because we went on a journey in our own mind palace and got lost?
Oh, I have just re-posted that open letter on tumblr. She puts it in words brilliantly.
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Everyone should be allowed their fantasies. And most of us realize that they are just that, fantasties, a bit of fun. I have had some lovely day dreams about Benedict/Sherlock. (shocking, I know!)
Fan Fiction is just a way to share those dreams with other like minded idividuals if you choose to.
It's not like I would ever walk up to him if I got the chance and say "OMG you're so hot! I imagine wild stuff about you all the time"! I wouldn't have even done that when I was 15!
I think we need to put this behind us now. We can't undo it. We can only continue to admire and respect our boys and try to set an example.
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Be wrote:
Of course it is published and everybody can do with it...
Not to bash anyone or anything, but this is in fact wrong. Just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean that people can take something and do what they want with it. These items are still protected by copyright. And yes, that includes fan art and fan fiction. What we write, draw, ect. is protected by the same laws as original work, and whether they themselves are infringements of someone else's copyright doesn't matter. (I am sooo not going into copyright on the Holmes stories. That one is too long haired, even for me.)
What this woman did - having a great part of the work performed publicly - it quite likely against copyright law in the UK and the author of the story would have a good case if she decides to take it to court.
Ormond Sacker wrote:
Be wrote:
Of course it is published and everybody can do with it...
Not to bash anyone or anything, but this is in fact wrong. Just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean that people can take something and do what they want with it. These items are still protected by copyright. And yes, that includes fan art and fan fiction. What we write, draw, ect. is protected by the same laws as original work, and whether they themselves are infringements of someone else's copyright doesn't matter. (I am sooo not going into copyright on the Holmes stories. That one is too long haired, even for me.)
What this woman did - having a great part of the work performed publicly - it quite likely against copyright law in the UK and the author of the story would have a good case if she decides to take it to court.
I am not familiar with U.K. law concerning copyright. The first question to be asked is what kind of law applies. U.K. because is was read in the U.K.? Where was it pubished? AO3? What kind of law applies there? What nationality has the author? It is at first a question of IPR (international private law).
Then the next question is: Unter which legal circumstances has the autor published it?
I always got the impression (without having done research about it too heavily) that ao3 fanfiction are done totally without any implementation of copyright. It's free to download, print out, read and even change.
But I don't think the copyright question is important because the border that was crossed was not a legal one (if at all) but a moral one.
Here is the author's comment:
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Be wrote:
Ormond Sacker wrote:
Be wrote:
Of course it is published and everybody can do with it...
Not to bash anyone or anything, but this is in fact wrong. Just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean that people can take something and do what they want with it. These items are still protected by copyright. And yes, that includes fan art and fan fiction. What we write, draw, ect. is protected by the same laws as original work, and whether they themselves are infringements of someone else's copyright doesn't matter. (I am sooo not going into copyright on the Holmes stories. That one is too long haired, even for me.)
What this woman did - having a great part of the work performed publicly - it quite likely against copyright law in the UK and the author of the story would have a good case if she decides to take it to court.
I am not familiar with U.K. law concerning copyright. The first question to be asked is what kind of law applies. U.K. because is was read in the U.K.? Where was it pubished? AO3? What kind of law applies there? What nationality has the author? It is at first a question of IPR (international private law).
Then the next question is: Unter which legal circumstances has the autor published it?
I always got the impression (without having done research about it too heavily) that ao3 fanfiction are done totally without any implementation of copyright. It's free to download, print out, read and even change.
But I don't think the copyright question is important because the border that was crossed was not a legal one (if at all) but a moral one.
Here is the author's comment:
On the issue of copyright a blog on it from someone who know this stuff much better than me in direct relation to this issue.
I understand that the moral/ethical border is the one that hurts, I merely meant this as an address on the fact that just because it's on-line and just because it's fanart, -fiction, whatever, doesn't mean people can do with it what they want. Okay, I'll shut up on this now. That woman is taking entirely too much of our time.
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I just unfollowed CM on Twitter. Not only because of her behaviour during the Q&A but also because she calls herself a feminist and then tweets things like this:
Caitlin Moran @caitlinmoran14 Dec
Apparently there are people ALREADY QUEUING for Sherlock at the BFI tomorrow #dedication #frostbite
Rachel Roberts @scouserachel14 Dec
@caitlinmoran #virgins
Caitlin Moran @caitlinmoran14 Dec
@scouserachel SO HARSH SO TRUE
Let me see - she starts with a neutral observation about people queueing for the film one day early (which may be mad but so what). Then someone else calls those women/girls virgins and CM agrees with her. This is a woman who calls herself a feminist and writes about feminism in the 21st century. So are all women/girls wanting to watch Sherlock/the team so badly frustrated virgins? Women or girls who do not get "real" men and therefore have to pine for movie stars? Is this her meaning?
As for her tweets - if feminism means squeezing in as many vulgar words as possible then I suppose I am not a feminist.
A shame, actually, because she wrote some nice articles about Benedict but this is frankly disappointing.
Rant over. Now let's get back to what really counts.
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Yeah, we have to remember the important thing here; Sherlock's coming back ^^
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Trying to figure out how to tell my husband I'm a virgin. He's going to be very distrubed.
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Yes, that might be a problem not that you mention it.
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As others have indicated, hoping we can all move on from this.
I'm still following Caitlin on Twitter, but she always used to irritate me on occasions.
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Maybe something good will emerge out of this incident when people start to think twice before they humiliate others in public.
BTW, do you see that this is exactly what Sherlock always does? Expose the secrets of other humans and make fun of it. And we love it.
There is a fine line between reality and fiction and between mocking, humor, making fun of something and humiliation.
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I'm still not convinced Caitlin thought this through.
I think she's a tad impulsive.
besleybean wrote:
I'm still not convinced Caitlin thought this through.
I think she's a tad impulsive.
I don't know either. Going by the twitter feeds Susi mentioned she lost a bit of grib on reality and thought herself superior to others (we know that, too, don't we?)
A fictional Sherlock is fun but being Sherlock or having to live with a Sherlockian person isn't.
Let's have some mercy with her. She made a mistake and I presume that she knows it by now.
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Well, she obviously didn't (think it through), because she would understand that it was a kind of very spectacular suicide for her, as far as her relation to Sherlock production team is concerned.However, I am a bit surprised that all the outrage seems to be about the fandom and fanfiction writers. What about the humiliation of Benedict and Martin, forced to read pornographic text (about the characters they play and are identified with) aloud in public? If I understood the reports, CM assured them before reading that it was "innocent".
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miriel68 wrote:
Well, she obviously didn't (think it through), because she would understand that it was a kind of very spectacular suicide for her, as far as her relation to Sherlock production team is concerned.However, I am a bit surprised that all the outrage seems to be about the fandom and fanfiction writers. What about the humiliation of Benedict and Martin, forced to read pornographic text (about the characters they play and are identified with) aloud in public? If I understood the reports, CM assured them before reading that it was "innocent".
that was actually my main concenr. It's like slapping them in the face. Just very rude.
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Marva wrote:
miriel68 wrote:
Well, she obviously didn't (think it through), because she would understand that it was a kind of very spectacular suicide for her, as far as her relation to Sherlock production team is concerned.However, I am a bit surprised that all the outrage seems to be about the fandom and fanfiction writers. What about the humiliation of Benedict and Martin, forced to read pornographic text (about the characters they play and are identified with) aloud in public? If I understood the reports, CM assured them before reading that it was "innocent".
that was actually my main concenr. It's like slapping them in the face. Just very rude.
I just hope they know that the whole fandom is horrified and does not agree with what happend.
I hope Mark, Sue, Lou and Amanda who are on Twitter received a lot of messages considering this and can pass the messages to Ben and Martin.
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Two, imo, very good interviews.
They don't tell me what I don't want to know right now... and it makes me a little bit squirrelly.
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miriel68 wrote:
Well, she obviously didn't (think it through), because she would understand that it was a kind of very spectacular suicide for her, as far as her relation to Sherlock production team is concerned.However, I am a bit surprised that all the outrage seems to be about the fandom and fanfiction writers. What about the humiliation of Benedict and Martin, forced to read pornographic text (about the characters they play and are identified with) aloud in public? If I understood the reports, CM assured them before reading that it was "innocent".
It's not the text that worries me - the excerpt they read wasn't that pornographic - but the fact that the actors were used as a tool to humiliate other people. They had to play along, they had no chance to think through what they were doing. The whole situation was just awful. Ah, let's forget about it and go back to the nicer things.
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Bit hard at the moment...oh yes, S3 nearly here!
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^^