Kae Em wrote:

My theory is that it is a very old well. Too old to be in any maps or blueprints. 

I believe, in the rescue search the old military staff map (or something close) should be used. There must exist something like that, and the well (like everything around) had to be contained there, since this is the reason to create such maps.

Kae Em wrote:

as Eurus burnt down their house soon afterwards 

I understood, Mycroft made up the part of the story. No fire was necessary to take Eurus away, if she killed someone.

besleybean wrote:

It's only just dawned on me that this means another bond between Sherlock and John: they've both experienced the grief of losing a best friend...except of course Sherlock only pretended to be dead...though John has really lost his wife, of course.

The age is also an important factor. It had to be different to lose the best friend being a child. On the other hand - John was in Afghanistan. He could lose his good friends in the war too.
We really should know more about him!

I wonder if the obvious solution to the drowned Redbeard in a near by well problem was supposed to be obvious - only Sherlock wanted it to be clever and show off and so was distracted by solving the silly broken riddle instead of just opening his eyes and looking.

Same as TRF thing though I think. By including sentiment into the deduction you can get a better result.  Some things can't be solved by the brain but need the heart .

Last edited by Mothonthemantel (January 24, 2017 7:59 pm)

Mothonthemantel wrote:

Same as TRF thing though I think. By including sentiment into the deduction you can get a better result.  Some things can't be solved by the brain but need the heart .

 

To add to this , I wonder if Sherlock had added sentiment to his deductions ,if jumping off Barts and faking his death and breaking John, would ever have been a possibility. I really doubt it.
Mary sort of got it right and showed Sherlock the way to love John - I would never do that ( break John ).

It bothered me that TFP was called TFP but wasn't really about the canon Final Problem , Sherlock faking his death and breaking John, but now in a way I think It is. The locked room memory / mystery that is Sherlock Moriarty told us the answer to and Eurus enforced is he wanted to be clever , but the real solution to TFP and TRF seems to be, be more sentimental.

Maybe B.C. love conquers all was rightl

Last edited by Mothonthemantel (January 24, 2017 9:12 pm)

Yes. That works whichever way you interpret,  Eurus as Sherlocks inner demons or real or John as Sherlocks whatever.

Last edited by Mothonthemantel (January 24, 2017 9:18 pm)

Naavy wrote:

Kae Em wrote:

as Eurus burnt down their house soon afterwards 

I understood, Mycroft made up the part of the story. No fire was necessary to take Eurus away, if she killed someone.

You can clearly see in the shot where Sherlock pushes the walls of the fake room down that the house must actually have burned. There are black burn marks on the stone walls. So that part of Mycrofts story was true. 
 

Last edited by Kae Em (January 24, 2017 10:08 pm)

Mothonthemantel wrote:

I wonder if the obvious solution to the drowned Redbeard in a near by well problem was supposed to be obvious - only Sherlock wanted it to be clever and show off and so was distracted by solving the silly broken riddle instead of just opening his eyes and looking.

Five years old child had not a characteristics of adult Sherlock yet. Adult Sherlock wants things to be clever because he is bored - but as a child, he was amusing himself playing pirates, he was obviously never bored and so didn´t have this motive for his actions yet.

Also, Eurus coded song was obviously not easy. It required the knowledge of advanced cryptopgraphy based on words hidden on gravestones, Latin codes and numbers, all combined. 

Saying that five years Sherlock is to blame for the demise of his friend is quite cruel in this regard.
 

nakahara wrote:

Mothonthemantel wrote:

I wonder if the obvious solution to the drowned Redbeard in a near by well problem was supposed to be obvious - only Sherlock wanted it to be clever and show off and so was distracted by solving the silly broken riddle instead of just opening his eyes and looking.

Five years old child had not a characteristics of adult Sherlock yet. Adult Sherlock wants things to be clever because he is bored - but as a child, he was amusing himself playing pirates, he was obviously never bored and so didn´t have this motive for his actions yet.

Also, Eurus coded song was obviously not easy. It required the knowledge of advanced cryptopgraphy based on words hidden on gravestones, Latin codes and numbers, all combined. 

Saying that five years Sherlock is to blame for the demise of his friend is quite cruel in this regard.
 

 
Yes. Obviously nothing was Sherlocks fault. I simply attempt to explain nobody (especially the Holmes )  looking for Victor in the near by well. Which is stupid.
Actually I sort of think it's odd to blame Eurus too when she was only 6 or 7, although whatever happened to her after certainly must have added to the monstrous turn she took.

Mothonthemantel wrote:

Yes. Obviously nothing was Sherlocks fault. I simply attempt to explain nobody (especially the Holmes ) looking for Victor in the near by well.

If anybody is to blame, it have to the adults. I still think, how the well could be hidden. If you have children, you not leave the well easy accessible or simply open. Except the parents never knew anything about it.
 

Last edited by Naavy (January 25, 2017 9:31 am)

Looking at that well behind John again, I am puzzled - where did the water, which started to overflow the well in TFP and which fell on John from above, came from? There is no pipe leading to the well, Eurus had no cronies who transported a cistern full of water over the well with the intent to let its content drop down on John (+ Sherlock would notice them immediately), the well has a high wall and no river or brook flows into it....

The only answer to that question seems to be magic, TBH.