Just one last thing... it was never about what was said, it was about how. 


I'll walk away from this, because I know I'm only contributing to what I'm so against. 

Discussions only between fans who have the same opinion? That isn't an exchange of pros and cons then... which is the meaning of a discussion for me. 

But I am not necessarily that interested in discussing whether we liked the episode or not - what's there to discuss, it's a matter of different opinions? I would love to discuss the details with people who also enjoyed it. Just as before, we might have had different viewpoints and perspectives on scenes, characters and details, but at least we shared a common ground of actually liking the show.

Not saying anything is right or wrong, that is just my personal view on what I am looking for as a fan.

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I don't know what's going on, but can I say, this always felt like the one not-censored place where every opinion was welcome and diversity was a treat not a problem. I love this forum for it. Still do.
But I can relate. E.g. I have always liked TBB, and it got loads of criticism. Yet... there were so many other episodes where I could easily relate to the same people that didn't share my opinion on that single one.
Why not keep to first impressions here, that obviously can be good or bad, because we aren't all the same. I think I can embrace any emotional first response to a Sherlock episode, because, you aren't disappointed if you don't love something to pieces, too.
(I can say for myself: I didn't like this episode, but GOD DO I LOVE BBC SHERLOCK!! Isn't that enough?)
And then we can hop over to another thread where we can mingle with like-minded people and celebrate - or mourn ;-)
I can only speak for myself, but because this episode has this feeling of being a conclusion of sorts, my feelings are all over the place. If I cannot put them here, then where?

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Yitzock wrote:

I watched the episode with four other girls from my university in our residence TV room and....WOW.  I'm still processing.

There was a lot of shocking stuff here.  At the beginning, I wasn't sure I was liking what was happening, but in the end I ended up feeling like it was good, so I think that's what matters.  Once it got going, I was completely entranced in the ride.

When we were in Sherrinford, I was thinking "Hm...this is scary and it's exciting but why do mentally ill people have to be scary villains?"  But I think the point in the end was that compassion can help, that treating them in a cold and inhuman way can make them the villains.  Sherlock eventually showed compassion for his sister.  Maybe if we are all shown compassion, some caring, we don't have to feel the need to lash out at each other.

And can I just say I really liked the ending, when they're back at Baker Street.  It pulled on my heart in the best way.  We love our boys and their adventures.  I liked how she called them that, our boys, after we, and Mrs. Hudson, have already been calling them that.  

I like how they were able to get Moriarty into this.  Even though he's evil and creepy, when he first appeared in the episode, the five of us watching the episode together were all laughing.  Moriarty is great, as evil as he is.  That's what a great villain is all about - Andrew Scott is great to watch as Moriarty.  It was nice to have him incorporated, while still knowing that there's no clever explanation - he really is dead, and that was never a lie.

I have to go to bed soon, since I have to get up early for class tomorrow morning, but I will try to get into the discussions a bit before then.  I need to try and wind down somehow.  I was shaking for a lot of the episode and I think inside I'm still vibrating.

 
Dear, methinks thou art a nurse, or counselor, or a teacher...the way that you summarized bits here!  Your comments are clear & concise on the events.
Spoken with respect, your explanations and insight shed light on a growing, creeping darkness threatening to engulf us all! 🎭

Vhanja wrote:

I don't think I express myself very well.

You can put your opinion here. And you should. No matter what that opinion are. To use an old saying - it's not you, it's me.

None of you guys are doing anything wrong, it's me who's a bit sensitive to this. I am always excited and fangirling when I've seen an episode, and when I go to a place where I think I can share that fangirling and squealing with others, and am met with more sombre tones, it's like someone just popped my balloon. 

When you have a glass of champagne in one hand and is wearing a party hat, you don't want to go to a funeral. To use a bad metaphor. 

But that thread is called "First impressions". A place for "all" impressions, isn't it? If you want just the "fitting" way then open up a related thread and I am sure that a lot of like minded People will join you.

Edit: Oh, Liberty was faster.

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Vhanja, Liberty put it right. We leave it with that.

I´m still so glad they didn´t kill any of the major characters off. Was really scared for Molly and Mycroft for a while.

Yes, I loved that bit!  What a surprise!  And you realise that some of Mycroft's supposed superiority is posturing.  Although I did think Mycroft was a sweetheart in this episode. 

...It took me longer to read this topic, then to watch the episode!...


Mofftiss obviously like the contradictions, this time they were able to create the really big one - TFP is IMO the same time really-not-that-good series episode (or movie), and the prefect series ending.

If the production of "Sherlock" is to be resumed - it can happen any day, tomorrow, or in 10 years. If this is the last episode, no one can say, that there are some important explanations missing, or many unresolved plots left. Mary even said us, what we should think about the series in future. Very clever!
But the episode itself is very patchy, there are really brilliant scenes, and terribly failed ones too.
And - this is not "Sherlock" style. This is a thriller. There are many thrillers, and only one "Sherlock". I am lucky to like thrillers For me it is not as good episode, as TLD, but much better, than T6T.

Random remarks
- The episode itself should be called not "Sherlock", but "Mycroft" - he seems sometimes to be the more important character. Basically, it works, only, unfortunately, the half of Mycroft's screen time is talking, talking, talking... Althrough all the crew made their best, to make retrospective scenes attractive to the viewers, still, they are too long (I believe, this season should take longer - 5 or 6 episodes. There are to many plots, too much to say, and not enough time left to simply let the viewers have fun). 
- Moriarty as the memory is one of the best parts of the episode. But the recorded, tick-tocking "prompts to create an atmosphere of urgency" are just to gimmicky, and mostly irritating.
- Sherlock in the grey beanie looks unbelievably alien.
- Sherlock, saying Molly "I love you" sounded very honestly. I do not mean necessarily the romantic love, but just a bit of Sherlolly in the end would be not a bad thing.

- I would like this episode to happen before Mary's death. How would they act, if she were with Sherlock, Mycroft and John?... *devilish laughter*

EDIT:
I forgot to add: ewige was right - Eurus is not 100% evil.
She is also lost, and strange thing about her: what she did, was horrific. But in the end her actions did help Sherlock to wake up his humanity again. This is the good part.

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