It's another question if that wouldn't have happened if Sherlock had not been shot.

Tinks wrote:

QuiteExtraordinary wrote:

Tinks wrote:

He fought for life - the whole Mind Palace scene symbolised that.
He couldn't do it, though - until he found that final push and managed to claw his way back - it might be true to say that Moriarty's mention of John gave him the reason to try even harder but the scene overall was designed to show what a battle was going on.
It's like running a race when you've absolutely nothing left to give, and then when the end is in sight, you somehow manage to dig up a final spurt of energy.

Then why didn't he even think of John up to that point?
I'm not saying that necessarily means he wanted to die, but he wasn't very enthusiastic about surviving either, up to that moment where he had that one thought that changed everything apparently. Then he suddenly managed to wake up under the most impossible circumstances.

He didn't think of anyone really, up to that point - his sole focus was on what to do to survive - hence Molly and Anderson, the ones with medical knowledge were the ones in the Palace with him, telling him what he needs to do.
And his big Brother, of course, who is always in there.
Finally he hits the very bottom, with no strength left to fight, and that's when the thoughts of those he cares about come to him, and the memory that John might be in danger - and he manages to find a final reserve of energy to drag himself back.

But he did have the time to think of Mary and Redbeard and Moriarty, and some other people Moriarty mentioned, before he finally remembered John.

Tinks wrote:

QuiteExtraordinary wrote:

Willow wrote:

Sadly, not. I appreciate that it's nice to think that if you are dying all you have to do is work at it and you can miraculously wake up whenever you wish but it doesn't really work like that.
 

I assumed that waking up after flatlining is next to impossible, so if he manages to do that he should have been able to wake up earlier since it would have been easier then.

 
He fought for life - the whole Mind Palace scene symbolised that.
He couldn't do it, though - until he found that final push and managed to claw his way back - it might be true to say that Moriarty's mention of John gave him the reason to try even harder but the scene overall was designed to show what a battle was going on.
It's like running a race when you've absolutely nothing left to give, and then when the end is in sight, you somehow manage to dig up a final spurt of energy.

Then why didn't he even think of John up to that point?
I'm not saying that necessarily means he wanted to die, but he wasn't very enthusiastic about surviving either, up to that moment where he had that one thought that changed everything apparently. Then he suddenly managed to wake up under the most impossible circumstances.

Sherlock perhaps underestimates how much John likes him. He thinks for John it's all about danger and adrenaline and the adventures they go through together. And that's partly true. But he doesn't understand that John also likes him as a person. In TEH Sherlock confronts John with the bomb as if that could be enough to convince John to stay with Sherlock. It works, but probably more because John sees the desperation in that, not because he wants to face death all the time, I think.

I agree with what Swanpride said.

The relationship between Sherlock and Mary surely isn't a healthy one, but that goes for the relationship between Sherlock and John as well.

It's true that Sherlock offered his help before Mary shot him, but it's questionable if he could really have been useful at that point. He was on drugs, for example, after all we know.
It was also made quite clear that once Sherlock had decided he wanted to wake up it was quite easy, even though he had already flatlined. Before that he followed Mycroft's and Molly's instructions, but what I missed was a real fight for survival. I got the Impression he could have woken up earlier if he had tried.

John is making up excuses.

That's why I came up with thoughts like that ... A way to balance things again after what Mary did would be to say Sherlock benefitted in some way from getting "almost" shot.

Cabin Pressures quotes

ASiP: You're - a very rude man. You can't speak to me like that.
TBB: Four hours in a Chinese traffic jam have not been in vain.
TGG: ...and I just thought I’d let you know that I … am … bored. Bored, bored, bored, bored … bored.
ASiB:  I’d prefer to use the word “hat”. But it’s not a hat; it’s a crime!
THoB: Snoopadoop the cockapoo, noblest of hounds!
TRF:  No one really likes apples.

TEH: The hat is paramount.
 

I didn't phrase that well. What I meant was more like, Sherlock is a very selfish person. That doesn't mean everything he does is selfish, and it seems that he's more likely to do selfless things in S3 than he was before. For example, killing Magnussen was selfless, I'd say (he didn't have too many other options left though). But he can't suddenly be 100% selfless. That would be out of character.

Wiggins wrote:

She searches for him on her own while every one is trying to find his hiding spots. With a gun no less. Why would she feel the need to protect herself against him. Until Wiggins hands her a phone she doesn't know he's setting her up.

I tried to think well her life is in danger -!magnussen knowing her enemies... But does she have it in hand going into Leinster? Or just when he tells her to shoot the coin?

Good question - why is she carrying a gun? Why does it look as if she's threatening him? It's all so contradictory. Mary, or actually both Mary and John, seem to be doing everything wrong from that scene on. As a viewer you automatically get mad at them. Mary shot Sherlock. He should hate her, and be scared of her. But he isn't. Absolutely not. That's the strange thing. He even puts John in that chair so it looks as if it's Sherlock. If he had any doubt he wouldn't do that, would he? The only alternative explanation would be that Sherlock has developed so much hate against John that he doesn't care if John dies. But the fact alone that Sherlock woke up in the hospital because he thought of John and Mary disproves that. However, the "she saved my life because she phoned the ambulance" explanation is a very weak one. He would still have been angry with her then. And in the CAM building Sherlock could neither see nor hear what Mary was doing because he was busy dying, and he had no chance to look at his watch either to check how many minutes had passed. So that's more or less nonsense IMO.

I have to say I can't believe that John overlooked Sherlock's bad state. He's an army doctor, he's used to working under very difficult circumstances. There must have been some kind of agreement between them that Sherlock would go back to hospital. Maybe that's why he keeps saying "do it quickly", because he wants to see a decision before he has to leave.

Another question is, if the scene where Sherlock and John met again after Sherlock escaped from hospital was important, why was it not shown? It was probably an emotional scene and would have explained a couple of things about their behaviour, so why didn't we get to see it? Was there something they said, some piece of information that we weren't supposed to know?