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His Last Vow » Why did John take his gun to Christmas dinner? » January 15, 2014 2:36 am

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Tetrisash wrote:

Sherlock told him to. "Did you bring your gun as I suggested?" "Why would I bring my gun to your parents' house for Christmas dinner?" "Is it in your coat?" "Yes."

Of course, Sherlock may have requested it should Mary decide to take out the entire Holmes Family and leg it;  with one decent gun in the house she might reconsider...
 

His Last Vow » Why is Janine not dead? » January 15, 2014 1:25 am

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Mrs. Watson wrote:

How does Janine arrive to work every day? Does she uses Magnussen's private lift or there is another lift she uses? Anyway she must have a card that gives her access or someone else must have one (a security person that lets her in). Cards can be stolen or cloned and I'm sure Mary found a way to do just that to get in. I don't think Janine gave her access.

I should perhaps explain that I live in the City and worked here for many years; it is riddled with paranoia which makes it cutting edge security territory. All cards and all keys will have an elaborate tracking system which enables them to be traced at all times; no-one, but no-one, can obtain copies or clones because the companies whose job it is to produce those cards and keys will only do so for a request signed by the top security officer who will have already have launched an investigation into how one went missing.

I cannot even obtain duplicates of my own personal keys to my home from anyone other than the one company that makes them, and I need to have a very good reason indeed to order them. I am expected to have made a police report about the missing/mislaid/stolen keys.

I appreciate that what seems normal to me may seem strange to people who are not familiar with the City, but that is the way the City works; it's why anyone living here falls about laughing at the idea that a card could be stolen and/or cloned.

And thus, having eliminated the impossible we are left with one option; Janine let her in.
 

His Last Vow » Mary » January 15, 2014 12:47 am

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Swanpride wrote:

We don't know if she did it for her own personal gain...if she had done it because of something as simple as greed, would she had stopped doing it? And wouldn't she be rich then?

Sorry not to spot your response earlier, hence my delay in replying, but she's obviously got considerable financial resources; part time nurses do not earn enough to survive at all in London, and even the full time nurses have special housing and income breaks for benefits, otherwise there would be no nurses in London.

The cost of living here is extremely high; it's not the sort of place where a woman putting in a few hours a week at a surgery could afford to live on her earnings,  or afford to pay for even a small part of a pretty spectacular wedding. Mary has a hidden source of income...


 

His Last Vow » Why is Janine not dead? » January 14, 2014 11:59 pm

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Swanpride wrote:

Sherlock has one month of preperation...Mary worked way longer on this, long enough that Janine was her chief bridesmaid. Who knows what kind of information she extracted from Janine during that time. Plus, Sherlock said that she "left through whatever way she came"...and she didn't encounter John on her way out.
Also, Sherlock is mostly about going undercover and getting information, he is not a trained thief, or bomb expert or anything else in this direction.

Sherlock was unconscious when Mary left; I'm pretty sure that not even Sherlock could manage to observe what someone was doing whilst he was dead to the world, and very close to being dead altogether.

It's difficult to see how being a trained thief or a bomb expert would have assisted Mary in scaling a skyscraper in the City of London; Sherlock was going undercover to get information via Janine, which is precisely what you say his skills are. And it still makes no sense for Mary to pursue a friendship with Janine if Mary really wanted out; all that did was expose her to more risk. Admittedly, it made no sense for Mary to have anything to do with John Watson either; that exposed her to the risk of publicity as well, which is inadvisable for anyone trying to escape from their previous career.

The simplest explanation is that Mary was lying about her reasons for shooting Sherlock; the only things we can be sure of is that she did shoot him, and she tried to track him through London with a loaded gun in her pocket, thus requiring the deterrent of her picture projected against the 'Empty House' to make sure the police would spot something amiss if his body was found there.

If we are going to speculate then perhaps Sherlock may have been egocentric in assuming that she called the ambulance for him; it's possible that it was for Janine...




 

His Last Vow » Why is Janine not dead? » January 14, 2014 11:23 pm

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tobeornot221b wrote:

Janine didn't die for plot reasons. If she had died in CAM's flat Sherlock could have been blamed for another murder victim - at least indirectly. Would have been too much of a bad thing for Sherlock's character.
Even more important: A dead Janine couldn't have delivered that scene at Sherlock's hospital bedside. Couldn't have made those canon nods about bees and Sussex.

But Janine would have been killed by Mary if Mary's explanation was true; I have confidence that the writers would have made do without the bees, and given that Sherlock himself flatlined I doubt anyone would have regarded another body as a character flaw of his.

Logically, it seems easier to posit Mary lying, given that we already know that she's a liar, than assume that the writers were simply being lazy...
 

His Last Vow » Why is Janine not dead? » January 14, 2014 11:09 pm

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Swanpride wrote:

Mary might have entered through different means...she is a trained agent, after all. And Janine might not have even seen her.

 
She is a trained agent, but so is Sherlock, who has just spent 2 years at the sharp end;  if Sherlock couldn't get through the security at Tower 42 without Janine then Mary couldn't either.

I do not believe that the writers would Mary Sue her character to the point where she has superhuman ninja skills enabling her to scale a skyscraper in the most heavily policed part of London without anyone noticing.

And if Mary is genuinely trying to hide from people aware of her past, why would she maintain a friendship with the PA to a man notorious for his interest in acquiring information to exert power wherever he can? Even if Mary met Janine casually I would expect her to drop her at the speed of light as soon as she realised who her employer was...

His Last Vow » Why is Janine not dead? » January 14, 2014 10:08 pm

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I find Janine's survival to be distinctly unlikely if Mary is telling the truth about her motivation; Mary claimed that she would do anything, including shooting Sherlock once and threatening to do it again, to prevent John learning the truth about her and yet Janine, who provided her with access to CAM, is alive and well.

If she is prepared to kill to protect herself then why leave a witness who can identify her? Unless, of course, her relationship with Janine goes somewhat beyond bride and chief bridesmaid...

His Last Vow » Mary » January 14, 2014 9:51 pm

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Swanpride wrote:

Well, it is not like John is totally okay with the situation. He said himself that he is still angry, will most likely stay angry and that this anger might boil to the surface from time to time - but he wants to be with her. And she is ready to accept this, if he just gives her this chance.

 
I am not sure that John is being entirely truthful in the conversation he has with her before she passes out due to the laced tea; John may not have dumped the original memory stick in the fire, and he may not have Sherlock's blind spot when it comes to motherhood.

Sherlock grew up accepting that his mother had abandoned her career as a mathematician in order to have children; she sacrificed something she was absolutely passionate about for the sake of her children. His reaction to Mary's pregnancy is, I think, greatly influenced by that fact; John may be rather more sceptical. Indeed, John may now be driven by the need to ensure that Mary does not simply disappear, taking his child with her; what other way is there to ensure that it does not happen?

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