The Reichenbach Fall » characters' knowledge about Moriarty after the roof scene » March 13, 2015 1:05 pm |
NatureNoHumansNo wrote:
oh, very intesresting pondering, indeed. I wondered too, what had been found on the roof, what does the police (including Anderson) knows and what the public does, since in the différents exposed theories, one of them considers Moriarty dead and the other one considers him alive ( I know it's a weird theory, with Sherlock and Moriarty kissing, but if it had been stated as a public fact that Moriarty was dead, this theory couldn't have even been formed..)
I had not linked it to many happy returns, but there's maybe some elements to consider in it.
Oh I forgot all about the kiss theory . Right then, this is another person who thought that Moriarty was on the roof and lived. Why both, was he seen going there or what? Or was the team so happy to play with our minds that they didn't mind getting a little sloppy?
The Reichenbach Fall » characters' knowledge about Moriarty after the roof scene » March 13, 2015 10:26 am |
Hello. I don't know where to post this (here? under characters > Moriarty?) and can't seem to find answers to this on the forum without reading a million posts. This is about what the public and various other people, and in the end especially Mary, knew or thought they knew about Moriarty's fate after season two.
In Many Happy Returns, Anderson sort of feels guilty for Sherlock's death. Underneath his sightings theory, he apparently thinks that Sherlock killed himself because he and Donovan helped Moriarty make him look so much like a fake (which Lestrade says out loud in TEH). There seems to be no reason for him to think that Moriarty was even on the roof of Bart's, let alone talked Sherlock into jumping -- unless Moriarty's body was found there later, or the whole rooftop scene is on camera somewhere?
Then in TEH, Anderson has a theory about Sherlock's jump-but-survival according to which somebody (some associates of Sherlock) grabbed Moriarty's dead body, made it look like Sherlock's and carried it into a lift and down to the pavement. So, apparently Moriarty's body was not found on the roof (because wouldn't Anderson know?) Whether he died there or not (and I guess ultimately both are possible, what with Mofftis being so sly)
The police would investigate a roof somebody jumped off and killed himself, wouldn't they? Anderson is no longer on the police in MHR, but he still was right after Sherlock jumped. I guess the Met is a large force, but wouldn't he know? Was there a dead body on the roof then or not? Because somebody other than Sherlock's or Mycroft's people could have moved it too; Moriarty's people were watching, if only so that they knew when to stop aiming at John, Lestrade and Mrs Hudson.
Skip to the end of HLV. Molly, Mrs Hudson and Lestrade (all "ordinary people" without high clearances or anything) are shocked to see the gif of Moriarty. Now a gif doesn't make him alive. We can wonder because we have seen the extra "live" footage of Jim at the
His Last Vow » Sherlock on Mary's accent means...? » March 4, 2015 2:52 pm |
Liberty wrote:
I think he means accent rather than language - that she sounds as if she's English, but that's not her nationality. She could be from anywhere (either English-speaking or not English-speaking) - I think it's the accent he's querying rather than whether it's her first language. (The CIA suggests that she might at least have a US connection).
Yes. I'll try to be clearer, because I thik he refers to both in this sentence, separately. I think "your accent is currently English but I suspect you are not" can be paraphrased "I suspect that you are not English" (so far so good), "although your accent IS English AT THE MOMENT" (but, by contrast with "currently", "it used to be not-English". And the part I have doubts about is: what does it mean, in fluent idiomatic British English, to say or imply (cause he does) that somebody's accent was not English? That they spoke English with a French / Russian / Slovak / Burmese / whatever accent, or that they speak English with an American / Scottish / New Zealand / Australian accent?
(Sherlock could infer things about her not being English from other data, as he did with Frankland, but accent is all he mentions here, so.)
A Study In Pink » the riding crop alibi » March 3, 2015 8:42 pm |
A Study In Pink » the riding crop alibi » March 3, 2015 4:50 pm |
tykobrian wrote:
OT
Fun question, Which other character is introduced by being about to use a riding crop?
Yes I know . And about the gif: it is lovely and strokes my inner johnlock to no end, but did it happen? I guess they could afford to be less tight lipped / denying about it if it's all in jest, but do you know if they did say that or the text was added by fans? (I can't read their lips. Moffat saying nearly identical words in an interview does not mean he wouldn't re-use them on another occasion, provoking the whole thing.)
His Last Vow » Sherlock on Mary's accent means...? » March 3, 2015 4:32 pm |
A quick question for those among you with native and near-native command of English, because the distinctions are too subtle for me.
"By your skill set, you are, or were, an intelligence agent; your accent is currently English but I suspect you are not."
Judging just from his choice of words, does he mean he suspects she is not a native speaker of English, or, as I think, that she is a native speaker of English from some place other than England? (America would make sense if Magnussen is to be believed about "all those wet jobs for the CIA", though it doesn't necessarily follow. Ireland would be interesting.)
A Study In Pink » the riding crop alibi » March 3, 2015 1:18 pm |
SusiGo wrote:
And there is another interesting thing about the above quote:
"I could imagine his giving a friend a little pinch of the latest vegetable alkaloid, not out of malevolence, you understand, but simply out of a spirit of inquiry in order to have an accurate idea of the effects."
So drugging John for scientific purposes is Canon, too. I did not know that.
Great, and now I just have to ask. A while ago I saw a Sherlock fun meme made of Gatiss and Moffat's photos taken at some fandom convention, with those lines subtitled, very roughly:
Moffat (replying to a question from te audience): "Sherlock having a girlfriend? How do you imagine it would work? He would poison her at the first opportunity just to see the results."
Gatiss (laughing): "Yeah maybe he already has."
Sweet and all but did they (did Gatiss) actually make this joke, or were the subtitles innocently added by a (fellow) well meaning johnlocker? Because I saw it completely out of context .
A Study In Pink » the riding crop alibi » March 3, 2015 1:11 pm |
tykobrian wrote:
That scene was a retelling of sorts of the follwoing scene from ACD's A study in scarlet:
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Oh right. Thank you so much. You have all been very helpful.
A Study In Pink » the riding crop alibi » March 3, 2015 11:38 am |
Vhanja wrote:
From what I've read, bruises don't from after death. So it seems it might be a mistake on the writers part.
Yeah I think I've read that too, but it doesn't seem to make sense. You are dead, the blood stops flowing, but it stays in the blood vessels for a while. You smash them, there is bruising. So, maybe they just don't form after a while after death, and Sherlock really is trying to find out the time of death precisely. It just seems unlikely that there could be such a precise line.
A Study In Pink » the riding crop alibi » March 3, 2015 11:35 am |
mrshouse wrote:
I'm not into pathology, but that most probably has to do with different marks according to blood coagulation before and after death.
Yes me neither (into pathology ). But? The guy is dead and "just in". Could Sherlock be trying to find out just how fresh the body is, with more precision than he and Molly can otherwise? Then if it turns out the guy died a little sooner rather than later, the window in which he died grows, and, assuming he was actually killed, that could invalidate some very time-specific alibi...? Or is something more interesting going on, logicwise?
A Study In Pink » the riding crop alibi » March 3, 2015 11:26 am |
Hello. Any idea how that would work? How can somebody's alibi depend on what bruises form on a freshish dead body twenty minutes after it is whipped? Thanks
A Scandal In Belgravia » the pirate line in ASiB » January 30, 2015 9:02 am |
Vhanja wrote:
I might be wrong here, but I interpreted that line more as "He was once just a regular boy wanting to be a pirate, just like anybody else". Meaning that even though Sherlock now seems almost otherworldy in his ways, as a boy he was normal, with the normal dreams a lot of boys have.
And perhaps it says something about Sherlock being drawned to adventures? Adventure, danger, following his own rules, dramatic life, being hated and loved at the same tim, having his own code of morale - well, he more or less lives like a pirate, doesn't he?
And since becoming a pirate was not practical, he settled for the second best thing, and maybe it even turned out better in the end. And on the side of the angels, which is apparently a small bonus after all. YES. Thank you.
A Scandal In Belgravia » the pirate line in ASiB » January 30, 2015 8:58 am |
Ok Liberty I got what you were saying. Thanks.
A Scandal In Belgravia » the pirate line in ASiB » January 30, 2015 7:59 am |
Hey thanks. I just realized too that this was the wrong place to post it, but since you answered, it's out of my hands .
That's how it feels, yes, Mycroft telling John and the audience that Sherlock does have a heart (although they overdo it a little; if we must be reminded explicitly at all, then it would work better more understated, said less often). But it doesn't quite follow a logical pattern that I can see... And pirates are not nice. Okay, they are, but a "heartless pirate" or "heart-breaking pirate" makes more sense than a "caring pirate". Out of my head now, mister Depp.
Anyway, I can't wrap my brain around Mycroft's reasoning here. There are two contrasts: one between the detective he is and the scientist / philosopher he could be but chooses not to be (and Mycroft seems to disapprove), and the other between the pirate he "initially" wanted to be (sounds like a child's dream, very sweet and possibly slightly disturbing since it's about hearts) and the detective he's actually become.
A Scandal In Belgravia » the pirate line in ASiB » January 30, 2015 6:13 am |
Hello. Yes, can you perhaps explain it to me? I won't mind not figuring it out on my own.
When Mycroft says, "My brother has the brain of a scientist or a philosopher, yet he elects to be a detective. What might we deduce about his heart?", I sort of vaguely understand what he means. It's along the lines of "he is misuing / wasting his brain, and his heart is similarly misapplied / underexercised". Fits the context. Could mean something slightly different.
But when John says he doesn't know, why does Mycroft echo that? Surely he's leading John on to a realization (the one I can't spot, haha), so his "neither do I" can't be honest. Well no problem really; why should he be honest or straightforward. But then:
Why pirate? Why "initially"?
I guess I would understand this little structure of analogies better if I remembered for sure how Mycroft feels about Sherlock's work. Can you spell it out to me somebody? Thanks!