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1 | The Reichenbach Fall » Kitty Riley » September 24, 2013 11:18 pm |
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I feel really silly now for thinking that John was Irene
| The Reichenbach Fall » Something I'm absolutely sure of - preparations for the fall. » August 22, 2013 9:11 am |
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I've actually thought of the theory presented in 2.1, but one thing that bugs me, is that if he landed on a net, then how do you explain us seeing him hit the ground? I know that people would probably say 'that's because he's falling off the net' or whatever, but you can see that he bounces almost when he hits the ground, I don't think you would fall like that if you were simply falling perhaps a metre from the ground, off a net
| The Reichenbach Fall » I.O.U. Update: Breakthrough! » August 17, 2013 9:29 am |
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There's also Rumpelstiltskin. In fact, Moriaty is very much alike Rumpelstiltskin. Also, when Mrs Hudson says, "funny name, like the fairytales", what name was on the envelope? It could've been rumpelstiltskin but I don't know.
| The Reichenbach Fall » I.O.U. Update: Breakthrough! » August 13, 2013 9:06 am |
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Well, if you're looking for links relating to shoes, I suppose perhaps the footprint could count? If not, there's always Carl Power's shoes! (which were lost, just lke Cinderella lost her shoe). Anyway, I think that Moriaty was playing the fairytale idea way before TRF. In Cinderella, there's fairy godmother figure, I wonder who it would be? The only person I can think of is Sherlock, which is weird, or perhaps Sherlcok would be the prince trying to hunt down who's shoe it was. Anyway, just throwing random ideas out there
| Reichenbach Theories » Sherlock did NOTHING to fake his death. » August 7, 2013 7:00 am |
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Remember this is Sherlock we're talking about, he's not John. I can't imagine Sherlock knowingly killing himself, even if it was to save his friends. He's not exactly the sentimental type. In the words of Moffat: "sentimentalise him at your own risk"
| Reichenbach Theories » Sherlock had wings! » August 7, 2013 6:31 am |
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Remember the third IOU, the graffiti on the wall, and there were wings in the background? Yeah, well, I finally figured it out! Sherlock has wings and simply flew off the roof! That's what the graffiti was trying to tell us!
| The Reichenbach Fall » An IOU you might have missed... » August 7, 2013 6:21 am |
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It's funny how there's those wings, all this would have been much easier if Sherlock had had wings!
| Reichenbach Theories » Go on then...what are your theories? » July 15, 2013 10:16 am |
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Damn it, why didn't I think of that? *sighs
| Reichenbach Theories » Go on then...what are your theories? » July 8, 2013 8:15 am |
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Yeah, I agree. For all we know, they could have filmed several solutions, just to throw us off the track
| Reichenbach Theories » Go on then...what are your theories? » July 8, 2013 12:59 am |
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Yeah, I really don't want to read any spoilers. Also, I would warn people to not believe every spoiler they come across
| Reichenbach Theories » Go on then...what are your theories? » July 6, 2013 7:46 am |
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MysteriaSleuthbedder wrote:sj4iy wrote:We don't see him hit the ground- we see a bit of his coat and hear a "thump". That's not seeing him hit the pavement.
I got carpal index finger getting these shots:
That brown stuff at the bottom of the screen is hair. To it's right is his hand and sleeve.You can see his elbow joint, the bottom of his coat still airborn from the velocity of the fall. We see him hit the sidewalk, headfirst.
The next shot I was able to get is this one, split second later, maybe a quarter second:
That's the body flattening. It has a bit of recoil, as I recall, and then goes still. Hair at right bottom, you can see the heel of the shoe at far left, just to get oriented. There are three trees. At least.And I also said that there's another body dressed as Sherlock on the pavement until John is knocked down, giving Sherlock time to get into position.
Sorry, I seem to have missed a step here. Where would Sherlock be getting in position from? If he falls straight down and hits the sidewalk, as we see he does, if there is no airbag, as we see there is not and cannot be in the time between the last falling shot and this one, where is Sherlock in the picture where John sees the impact point with no airbag? That's a pretty wide field.
The bag is the only thing that fits all of the evidence
It doesn't fit any evidence because we have no evidence it ever existed. The evidence we do have in front of our eyes, shows no indication whatsoever of any device, and does clearly show someone or something humanlike hitting the sidewalk with force a split-second after we see Sherlock's falling body. Those are facts.
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A falling body is going about 75mph here,
| Reichenbach Theories » Go on then...what are your theories? » July 5, 2013 8:24 am |
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Alright, I would say something else but I'm just going to agree to disagree, as otherwise we're going to go on and on. It will most likely turn out that neither of us are right, but if you are right, I'll give you a pat on the back
| Reichenbach Theories » Go on then...what are your theories? » July 5, 2013 7:45 am |
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But when Sherlock's standing on the roof with Moriaty, we see the side walk, and it's the same as the one on which Sherlock's body is lying on
| Reichenbach Theories » Go on then...what are your theories? » July 5, 2013 12:50 am |
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Michele wrote:
I think we may just have to come to the old adage of 'let's agree to disagree'.
I'm living in constant fear of having it spoilt for me so I think it might be best for me to stop digging until the episode is released. This might have to be me for a while...
You may very well be right but I guess it's an arguement that can only be settled by watching the episode. And if someone has worked it out they will get a very big pat on the back from myself and I'm sure plenty of other fans!I've more or less accepted that I'm not going to get it right, and in all honesty, I doubt many of us will either, but if someone does, then I will definitely give them a pat on the back
| Reichenbach Theories » Go on then...what are your theories? » July 4, 2013 12:33 am |
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MysteriaSleuthbedder wrote:sherlockian111 wrote:
But we do see him jump though, and when he's falling, he is moving around
How Sherlock Survives the Fall. You can scroll down to "How Sherlock Survives the Fall."
As I said above:I never said Sherlock wasn't on a roof. I never said Sherlock didn't jump from a roof.
So, of course we see him jump. But John didn't see him jump. John saw something pushed, released or whatever. There are three separate sequences of Sherlock falling that are shown in the episode.
That's possible, but why would Sherlock bother to jump off a roof in the first place? Why wouldn't he just find a place to hide when the time comes and then come out and play dead?
| Reichenbach Theories » Go on then...what are your theories? » July 3, 2013 11:13 pm |
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MysteriaSleuthbedder wrote:ancientsgate wrote:MysteriaSleuthbedder wrote:
What John was looking at on the roof, wasn't a living person, IMO. It never moves.
And so they spent several days with Benedict suspended on cables up there and then a bunch of time getting him to jump off the roof into an airbag (and yes, it was really Ben, he was very open about it in interviews, talking about what it was like up there and during the fall, what they had to do to keep him safe and make it look real)-- they did all that so we'd be convinced that it was a dummy standing up there and then falling while waving his arms and legs all around? Pretty sophisticated dummy. Especially the dummy lying on the street with Ben's face, Sherlock's warm arm that John grabbed onto, his staring eyes, etc. C'mon. Whatever will be revealed to us in ep 3.1, it won't be that that was a dummy, IMO.
And he did move up there on the roof's edge. Pointing at John, throwing down his phone, spreading his arms and jumping.
I never said Sherlock wasn't on a roof. I never said Sherlock didn't jump from a roof. I said:
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What John was looking at on the roof, wasn't a living person, IMO. It never moves.
And it doesn't. Not any time we see him from John's point of view. The coat blows around, the hair does, too. But the stance is always exactly the same, the arms and head do not move. Ever.
The only time we see Sherlock move and speak and so forth, we are only looking at Sherlock. The one time we have Sherlock and John in the same frame from the roof position, is before John actually sees Sherlock. Then he is told to turn around and go back the way he came.
Now, as you look at the roof from John's position in the photo, the actual living Sherlock is somewhere to John's right, on a roof, able to see John, but unseen by him. John is looking
| Reichenbach Theories » Go on then...what are your theories? » July 3, 2013 12:21 am |
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Caroll wrote:sherlockian111 wrote:Caroll wrote:
At the very first time I watched Scandal I had the same thought, but I think I got used to the idea then haha.
The reason I didn't put away the theory that he really falls and lands is exactly because nobody seems to believe it's possible, but we're talking about Sherlock here! Oddly enough I've seen - besides the "miracles" that seldom happen - some things 1. a person healthy/athletic and young has more chance of survival, 2. relaxing and bending the knees help, 3. land on the feet drives a leap, it's a chance for the person to protect the head and land sideway (which "could" explain why he was in a different position). John couldn't see the complete fall and shouldn't see S was manipulating the land. And I still need to think of everything else.
But I'll come back to reality now, ok?
But then why were the paramedics fake? Surely, if that were the case, it would have made more sense to have real paramedics, in case something went wrong
I imagine he wouldn't even take the risk if something could go wrong! He's the one who says that is "prepared to anything" and "prepared to do what ordinary people wouldn't do". Of course injuries would be expected if that were the case.
Yeah, I can't really imagine Sherlock doing something which could very well put him in a wheel chair (and that is not even the worst case scenario). This is Sherlock after all
| Series Three Suggestions & Ideas » How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead? » July 3, 2013 12:02 am |
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JaneCo wrote:
I would love to see a Moffatt / Gatiss style twist on them getting back together.
John isn't daft, and post Reichenbach he is likely to go over conversations in his mind like the one in TRF which Sherlock referred to as his 'note'. John says "...the first time we met you knew all about my sister." Sherlock's response was that he researched John before they met "Nobody could be that clever". But in SiP, Sherlock's supposed research had not uncovered that John's sibling was female. Surely an indication, once John has time to mull it over that Sherlock was not being entirely upfront in his 'note'. There may be other things that raise his suspicions. Who was behind the phone call which took him on a wild goose chase believing that Mrs Hudson was dying and away from Sherlock's side at a crucial time, not to mention Sherlock's feigned lack of concern at the news. It isn't beyond the bounds of possibility that John could put two ad two together during Sherlock's absence.Yeah, I suppose. Also, hopefully it will occur to John that if Mrs Hudson had been shot, he would have been told to go to the hospital
| Reichenbach Theories » Go on then...what are your theories? » July 2, 2013 7:30 am |
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Caroll wrote:shouldbestudying wrote:
I think the American agent only fell once. Lastrade asks how many times because Sherlock had nutted him and possibly hit him (fractured ribs, punched lung etc ) so he looked like he had fallen multiple times. He was after all just a burgular that fell out of the window.
At the very first time I watched Scandal I had the same thought, but I think I got used to the idea then haha.
The reason I didn't put away the theory that he really falls and lands is exactly because nobody seems to believe it's possible, but we're talking about Sherlock here! Oddly enough I've seen - besides the "miracles" that seldom happen - some things 1. a person healthy/athletic and young has more chance of survival, 2. relaxing and bending the knees help, 3. land on the feet drives a leap, it's a chance for the person to protect the head and land sideway (which "could" explain why he was in a different position). John couldn't see the complete fall and shouldn't see S was manipulating the land. And I still need to think of everything else.
But I'll come back to reality now, ok?But then why were the paramedics fake? Surely, if that were the case, it would have made more sense to have real paramedics, in case something went wrong
| Reichenbach Theories » Go on then...what are your theories? » July 1, 2013 5:22 am |
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lil wrote:
OK , now it is obvious as to how .
A fake Sherlock fell. ( Molly threw it )
The real Sherlock was behind the smaller building , when the fake Sherlock landed , the real one took his place.
Enter bus's and lorry's to obscure the landing and homeless ppl to remove fake Sherlock and add blood etc.
The biker slipped something on Johns wrist ! (Observe and you will SEE ? ) John was out of it longer than you think.
ENDOV We know that all happened.
Easy to fake the fall tbh .!
" It's just a majic trick " (The Optical illusion of Sherlock jumping , he didnt a dummy was thrown.)
The real mystery is WHY!!!!
WHY ? Bach and Deathbed's and unfinished business! and Codehunters and Assasins and Moriarty's plans A, B. and C to make Sherlock fall , ( die with Moriatry the final problem solved!
) and ACD cannon in reverse .
Everything Else Is Red Fishe's !!!
Final Words from me , Cos , That was the way the cookie crumbled.
I REST MY CASE.
Game Over.
(Apologies for the spoilers.)What do you mean by a fake Sherlock exactly? We saw Sherlock jump, remember, and we saw him moving as he fell
