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The Final Problem » Are you satisfied with TFP as an ending for the series? » March 26, 2017 9:40 am

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I think series 4 was partially a makeshift. It was very difficult to get all the actors together again because all of them are so very busy, so they had to reckon with the possibility that a series 5 would be impossible. So they needed a finale that would work as the end of the series. And I think TFP works for that. I don't like every detail of it, but a lot of important questions which have remained open until now, have been answered. Overall it is an acceptable ending.

And what JP writes I have already thought: "the story makes a full circle back to the point where ACD stories began". At the end of TFP Sherlock and John are so far in their personal development that they really are the ACD characters. In a way we are now exactly at the place where the other film adaptions begin. And therefore it would be exciting to continue, really.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » What happened to John Watson? » March 18, 2017 9:53 pm

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Thanks! - And, of course, it is not really the "end". But it is a scene that changes a lot.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » What happened to John Watson? » March 18, 2017 7:25 pm

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It's true: both Sherlock and John learned an awful lot about themselves, and so much trust between them is an new thing and really moving.

Vhanja said, John is repressed emotionally, he has always bottled up everything. And that is very true, in my opinion. John has been at war, he was wounded, he has seen terrible things, undoubtedly over a long period of time. Therefore he suffers PTSD. And that is the key to his behaviour. I am kind of expert in this, because I have lived in a very extreme situation for some time (details are unimportant, that's boring for anyone else). In such a situation one learns mainly one thing: survive, everything else does not matter. Emotions are luxury. And weakness is not a good idea, because if you are weak you will perhaps not survive. And if you still have feelings, you do not risk any feelings that look like weakness. You will not cry (I cannot cry, not even when I am alone). Being aggressive is much easier because being aggressive is not weak. And you have the excuse "it is not my fault that I have PTSD". That is why you do not apologize. Apologizing is weak.

And if someone like John is actually able to be weak, to cry, even in the presence of someone else, it is an incredible improvement. And if Sherlock, the alleged "psychopath", can react accordingly this is an equally incredible improvement. - I know, "happy end" is a terribly stupid concept. But this is a happy end. One of the most beautiful I know.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » What happened to John Watson? » March 17, 2017 7:14 pm

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I am very busy right now, but you really have an interesting discussion, so here are a few comments at least.

First, Vhanja is right, as far as I see: "BBC John Watson is the most fleshed-out and developed/nuanced Watson of all versions." Even if Watson is actually only in the Rathbone movies (played bei Nigel Bruce) the bumbling and stupid sidekick, just as nakahara said.

I think there are two reasons, why John Watson in most versions is not very fleshed out as a character. First, in the original stories he is the narrator and therefore remains rather in the background, because the theme is Sherlock Holmes. Of course we learn a lot about John nevertheless, but more or less incidentally. And secondly: the BBC series defines John very clearly about his PTSD. This is a good idea, and basically it is already in Doyle's stories if you look closely (maybe I can do this particularly well - I am unfit for work because of PTSD myself). But PTSD was a thing that had not yet been known and explored at Doyle's time. At that time one saw that people who had experienced war (or the like) were kind of "somehow strange", but one has not thought much further about it. Here the BBC version sets free something  which was always there, and it defines the character exactly by that, which I find quite exciting.

And, about the fainting: no, that would not have worked in the movie, for a very simple reason. In the original story Sherlock arranges the  reunion in a way that he and John are alone. But in the movie the same scene takes place in an restaurant full of people. There the reaction to a person who faints is forseeable; a lot of people would intermingle, and there would be no chance of a reunion scene. No, if they wanted to have this scene in public (which I do not like very well), they had it to do without the fainting, in my opinion.

General Sherlock Discussion » Picture thread: Original quotes in a different context » March 5, 2017 5:00 pm

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This is perhaps a bunny which glows in the dark, "like a fairy". It might be possible that it has a longer life, too...

General Sherlock Discussion » Picture thread: Original quotes in a different context » March 5, 2017 4:59 pm

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This is perhaps a bunny which glows in the dark, "like a fairy". It might be possible that it has a longer life, too...

General Sherlock Discussion » The problem of Rosie Watson » March 2, 2017 3:33 pm

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Perhaps it's just me, but honestly, I can not imagine that parentlock was the reason. In my opinion it does not fit the style of the series.

General Sherlock Discussion » The problem of Rosie Watson » March 2, 2017 11:24 am

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Nakahara is right: "Why write a child into your story if you then do not know what to do with this character?" That was my thought from the first moment Mary's pregnancy was mentioned. I just did not see which significance a baby could have for the story.

But the argument of SusiGo is plausible: "In my opinion the baby actually serves exactly one purpose - she is what makes John stay with Mary." It makes sense, I think. But it also creates a huge problem. Afterwards the baby contributes nothing to the story, not before it is born and not after. And if the series will be continued it is basically a disturbing factor. That's why I was, stricty speaking, surprised that the baby was born at all. I actually had expected another course of events (as far as time in concerned), and I thought it possible that Mary would have died when she still was pregnant. That would be even canon, almost a bit. ACD does not tell us why Mary dies, but during the 19th century statistically the most common cause of death for younger women were miscarriages und problems with birth.

Perhaps they had simply inhibitions to let a pregnant woman die (or even to have killed her) or to let a baby die. Perhaps it was foreseeable that the audience would not accept such things. It could be, that, like Susi wrote, Mofitss did not foresee this and the difficulties it might cause: "They suddenly realised that they hat a tiny plot device on their hands which they had to integrate into their story."

The Final Problem » What is real in TFP? » February 24, 2017 11:32 am

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The whole thing is becoming more and more complicated indeed. SusiGo is right, until TEH the MP is simply a memory technique, "a storage device for knowledge he thinks he might need one day." But since HLV there is added something else besides data. Two things are added. First, he sees memories as reality, although they are not true, because he wants to see them like that (the truth would hurt too much): he sees Redbeard as a dog. And secondly he sees scenes which are clearly symbolic (Mary in a wedding dress who shoots him, Moriarty chained in a rubber cell); these are not facts, these are certainly images edited by the subconscious which mix between the data in the MP. Since then the MP has changed, from an exclusive collection of facts to something that stores emotional things as well and makes them visible, too, if only in a masked form. Could it have to do something with Sherlock's development during the series, and with the fact that he more and more learns to be aware of his own emotions and to accept these emotions?

Character Analysis » How could the Holmes parents raise three children like them? » February 21, 2017 12:44 am

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No, I don't think your post is "far too long". For me, it is a very convincing explanation.

The Final Problem » What is real in TFP? » February 15, 2017 11:05 am

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Of course we all deal with things in our own way. This is because writers and their shows do not exist in a vacuum, The people watching it have very different experiences in their own lives, and therefore a very different way of seeing things. I think it is very brave that Moth shared sich a painful  personal experience with us, and I understand completely that it is in conceivable from this point of view that Sherlock has completely "forgotten"/repressed these things. I personally have the opposite experience: there are very unpleasant things in my past and I knew nothing about it until my therapist made me aware of it. I think, it depends on the situation and the personality how you react.

But one thing speaks against the idea, that a lot of things in series 4 are MP: Sherlock has apparently no (or no true) remembrance of Eurus and Victor. I am sure that this memory is somewhere in his subconscious, but he has no access to it for a long time. I assume that unter these circumstances he could not see the events in TFP in his MP. Therefore they must be real, in my opinion (which, of course, by no means must be correct, it was just a thought).

General Sherlock Discussion » The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only) » February 7, 2017 7:32 pm

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Just like ewige said. They did make everybody happy and left room for more seasons. And "the four possibilities" are funny, I think. And it is also true.

And of course Elemental is right: "ridiculously clear" is not "super-duper obvious or not subtle enough." but it is still noticeable.

By the way and just for fun: I have come to the idea of johnlock long before the "Sherlock" series. And that was a coincidence. And this is how it happened. One day I read the ACD story "The Three Students", and it starts with the text: "It was in the year '95 that a combination of events, into which I need not enter, caused Mr. Sherlock Holmes and myself to spend some weeks in one of our great University towns, and it was during this time that the small but instructive adventure which I am about to relate befell us. It will be obvious that any detail which would help the reader to exactly identify the college or the criminal would be injudicious and offensive. So painful a scandal may well be allowed to die out." - And the same day a student came for tutoring lessons, and she asked for help because she had to write a seminar paper about Oscar Wilde, and she had very little time. So I researched for her on the internet and found out that in March 1895 Oscar Wilde was arrested because of "sodomy and gross indecency", and that during the next weeks a lot of other homosexuals in London were arrested and that a lot of homosexuals fled the city if possible. And I just saw a connection between "The Three Students" and these things happening in London. And later I wrote a Fanfic in which Lestrade warns Holmes and Watson and advises them to leave London for a while. Since then, I believe in johnlock.

General Sherlock Discussion » The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only) » February 5, 2017 7:49 pm

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Elemental wrote something, almost a week ago, and I wanted to answer, But this was a hectic week, and I did not have enough time for it. So I am writing now.

Elemental wrote, the Idea of Johnlock seemed to her "extremely weird and far fetched" at first sight, and now, after further discussion about it, "it's almost ridiculously clear."

It was a bit different for me. For me, the idea was not "far fetched", but, strictly speaking, it existed long before the series was made. For me it was in the original stories of ACD. It seemed to me that it was perceptible, by the whole situation. Of course it was never talked about. That would have been unthinkable at the time when the original stories were written. And when I learned about the new "Sherlock" series for the first time, and that this series would play in the 21th century, my first thought was another (I was curious about the encounter of Sherlock Holmes with computer technology), but I also thought whether they would make the love story more clear which could not be shown in 19th century.

At first it became no love story, seemingly. Of course there were allusions that everybody seemed to suspect it (and that was quite funny), and there were a lot of nonverbal hints. But it didn't become a "real" love story. And I was a bit disappointed, because I thought it was an unused chance. But meanwhile I think a bit different about it.

I am glad that it is not a "real" love story from the beginning, because that would have destroyed the love story. That sounds a bit crazy, I know. Therefore it has to be explained. Imagine it would have been a quite normal love story from the beginning. It would have been a sensation, of course, and some people would have cheered, and some people would have found it terrible. People would have talked about nothing else. Nobody would have been interested in the development of the characters. And it is just this development which makes the story so exciting: the slow development of these two

The Final Problem » Dr. Watson's deduction » January 28, 2017 6:43 pm

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Apologies are a problem in this story sometimes. In TEH we see that Sherlock apologizes and that John practically does not react to it. And in TLD we see that John does not apologize. And obviously is not so that he does not feel sorry. John is "a tight ball of regret", like ewige wrote and that's exactly what I think. So, what is the matter?

I think I have an idea about that. And I (honestly) only came to this idea, because I know a lot about PTSD because I have PTSD myself. Whoever has PTSD, usually has experienced quite bad things, and such experiences can make people very aggressive and sometimes they can not control their aggressions. John's reaction when he attacks Sherlock is clearly abnormal. If John did not have PTSD, the attack would never have taken these forms. And John is probably conscious of this in hindsight. And from this comes the thought: I have done this, and of course it was completely unacceptable, and it should not have happened, and it would not have happened either if I did not have PTSD, and I am not blame for that disease. Somehow you do not really feel guilty and therefore you do not apologize, and the concept "apology" has little significance for you anyway. That's why John does not respond to Sherlock's  apologies in TEH: an apology is not important because it does not change things. This it not a normal reaction, I know, and it is not really great, but for me it is very comprehensibly.

General Sherlock Discussion » The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only) » January 27, 2017 8:24 pm

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I want to try to say something about all this. Even if that becomes a bit difficult because firstly I can not speak about emotions very well und secondary because I am not a native speaker.

Diva wrote: "the only thing that makes me a bit sad is the fact that their relationship seems to be much stronger from Sherlock's side than from John's side." And she is right, it really looks like this. But I am not sure if it really is.

Of course "Sherlock made a deliberate decision to put John first and he never let him down", as diva wrote. But sometimes ist really looks, at least since TEH, whether this relationship was more important to Sherlock than to John.

At the end of TRF, John saw Sherlock die, and he grieves very much about his death, no one doubts it. But John was at war, as a doctor even, he must have seen plenty of dead and mourning, and therefore he knows that one can sometimes only live on if one pushes away the feelings for the dead.  Those who have experienced terrible things will learn this survival tactics, or they will just not survive. And that is exactly what John does. He pushes his feelings for dead Sherlock into the background and tries to find someone else (Mary, in this case). And then Sherlock comes back. And John knows (visibly during the first seconds of the reunion scene): Sherlock is more important than Mary. But Mary does not suddenly disappear, of course. So the result is a terrible emotional mess: John wishes actually to go back to Sherlock, but he can not just leave Mary for reasons of fairness, because she did certainly help him to gain a new foothold in life after Sherlock's "death". And emotional mess ist a thing which John is not able to handle, because of PTSD. And that is typical for PTSD: it becomes confusing, and he reacts with violence against the  person who is responsible for it: Sherlock.

It would be consequent to leave Mary, but he is unable to do that. He continues to pursue his marriage plans (quite annoyed, at times), a

The Lying Detective » John's violence » January 26, 2017 3:33 pm

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That sounds very convincing for me. And nakahara is right: Euros did'n have to hypnotise John. To influence him by words or suggestions might be enough because he has a tendency to violence anyway. Perhaps she tried to find out how far he would go.















 

The Lying Detective » John's violence » January 26, 2017 10:35 am

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That is an interesting thought, indeed. I mean, John's aggressions against Sherlock are understandable to a certain degree, and we have seen him react aggressive before (TEH!). But this level of aggressiveness is another thing. It is not a normal reaction, not even for John. There is a difference between beating someone und nearly killing someone. Therefore it could be that John was manipulated by Euros (she had the opportunity to do that, at last).

The Final Problem » The Final Problem: First impressions » January 25, 2017 11:54 am

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That's true: he respects her as a worthy adversary. Her intellectual abilities are equal to his, if not better. It was so in the original text by ACD. And when you consider when that was written, it was a real sensation. At this time it was seen as an acknowledged fact, even by reputable scientists, that the intellectual abilities of women were inferior than those of men. And that is the cause why Sherlock is fascinated by Irene Adler: she ist a woman, and  nevertheless her intellectual abilities are at least as good as his. Fascinating, indeed.

The Final Problem » Questions about TFP » January 25, 2017 11:39 am

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Kae Em wrote about Mycroft's "caring is not an advantage", and she said, that it doesn't mean that Mycroft does not care. And that's right. Mycroft does care, he cares a lot indeed. And ne never says: "I don't care". "Caring is not an advantage" has a complete different meaning. It means: if you care that will cause you a lot of sorrow and stress. He will have a lot of experience with it.

The Final Problem » Questions about TFP » January 24, 2017 5:50 pm

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Of course he had. It makes "caring is not an advantage" very understandable. If he had cared (or himself allowed to care) he would not have done it.

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