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The Lying Detective » John's violence » January 9, 2017 3:48 am

Interesting thread.  I hadn't even really thought about John's violence in this way.

It's like we take our cues from the show's characters sometimes in brushing things off. Like when Lestrade asked John should they have seen it coming that Sherlock stabbed (stabbed at?) Culverton.  John reminds him that Sherlock shot Magnussen in the face, but they ignored the implications.  And since Sherlock didn't hold John's violence against him, the seriousness of what he did kind of slid by me also.

The Lying Detective » First Impressions... » January 9, 2017 3:40 am

First impression was that I loved that episode SO much!!  That twist!  And last week I really didn't like the change in tone and how they shot it.  But it's the complete opposite this week.  I loved the "trippy" nature of this episode.  And I love Mrs. Hudson so much too!  Just fantastic!

The Six Thatchers » What will happen to Rosie? » January 8, 2017 1:20 am

I was disappointed as soon as they made Mary pregnant.  B/c it feels like no matter what they do with the baby (keep it in the show, ignore it on the show, have the baby not be John's, let the baby die, etc.) its existence has forever changed John as a character.  And I don't think I like what the outcome of it will be.

The Six Thatchers » POLL: Your first impression (pre TLD and TFP!) » January 8, 2017 12:50 am

sherlocked wrote:

gently69 wrote:

Tbh I was disappointed. Any fear I had were fulfilled. But I still try working on it. To get more references.

I really disliked it, too, at first. I'm still not very fond of it. I found it muddled, too busy with all the onscreen overlays and messages and I didn't like the overall action saturated story arc. But I decided to postpone final judgement until I've seen all episodes. I said elsewhere that the script might turn out to be a lot cleverer and more multi-layered than we thought at first viewing. I do hope I'm right about this. Otherwise the many continuity errors would add up to a staggering number.
While I don't enjoy analysing the episode very much I sure got very interested in how it all will play out in the following episodes.
 

I had a similar response.  All of the visual and tonal weirdness was so jarring that it's made it hard to separate it from what happened (and whether I liked it or not).

ewige wrote:

Maybe the bad rap for the first ep is the price Moftiss are willing to pay for making TV history with this season. I just hope they are not setting up the second ep in the same manner too! TLD reviews indicate that we'll be getting some serious payoffs, so I still trust Moftiss to do the right thing.

I read somewhere, in a short review, that TLD is supposed to be "trippy" and from Sherlock's perspective.  They also said it might be divisive among fans.  And it worries me, considering how divisive TST actually was, that they only thought the second episode would be that way.  Makes me wonder how far they plan to go in episode 2, and how off the wall it might be.
 

The Six Thatchers » The change of atmosphere » January 4, 2017 11:19 pm

Ewige, here's a definition of high frame rate from Wikipedia: 

"In motion picture technology—either film or video—high frame rate (HFR) refers to higher frame rates than typical prior practice. The frame rate for motion picture film cameras was typically 24 frames per second (fps) with multiple flashes on each frame during projection to prevent flicker."

I'm not sure if the episode really was shot with a high frame rate, but the best example I can point to are the Hobbit movies that came out a few years ago.  One was shot with a high frame rate and it made the scene extremely sharp and clear.  Too clear in my opinion.  It plays with your eyes (at least it does with mine) so that you can't quite forget that you're watching a show or movie.  Your eye is busy picking up and noting all the details in the background.

The Six Thatchers » TST - what is real in this episode? » January 4, 2017 11:11 pm

Are there different versions of EMP floating around?  I thought EMP said everything since Sherlock got shot was in his mind palace.  So how can the scene with Ella be real and him "doctoring" what happened?

Also, the reason I don't like EMP as a theory is that it seems like it would undo things unnecessarily.  You'd have to explain how everything after a certain point was fake, then go back and retell what actually did happen.  And if multiple episodes are fake, there doesn't seem to be enough time to tell the "true" version and manage to advance the plot any.  Besides, none of the EMP theories go back far enough to erase my least favorite part of the show, which is the inclusion of a baby.

But I will say, if EMP is not true, the showrunners should be a bit embarrassed by all of the inconsistencies that have been pointed out using this theory (and the fact that people came up with an intricate theory to make sense of their mistakes).

The Six Thatchers » The change of atmosphere » January 4, 2017 10:18 pm

My thoughts (copied from my posts on reddit):Now having seen the first episode of season 4, one of the main things that stood out to me was the change in how the show looked and sounded, from previous seasons. It was especially noticeable since I just did a re-watch this week of all the past episodes.Differences I noticed:


  • The music felt like it was done by completely different people. I'm used to music in Sherlock being quirky (Staying Alive, dub-step during stag night, "Yolanda" for Sherlock and John reunion scene) or having an emotional/dramatic flair. Something about it is distinctive. But in this episode, some scenes were weirdly quiet (like there should have been music, but there wasn't) or the music was weirdly generic. Like it could have played behind any show/soap opera. And there wasn't a "signature" song for any dramatic scene, to make them stick in the mind. It didn't even seem like they were playing the signature "deduction" music when Sherlock went into his high speed deduction mode (the little string melody).
  • The screen felt weirdly cluttered at times with visual extras (ex. fancy transitions, floating video screens, text, etc.). Much more than usually appear.
  • Lots of different camera angles, that we usually don't see (or that were done much more frequently). Overly zoomed in on faces (so only part of a face is visible), or shots filmed from far back, shots filmed from very high looking down over the actors, or from very low angles looking up at the actors, etc.
  • Quick jumps from scene to scene. Non-linear progression. Lots of back and forth storytelling. Repeat flashbacks to the same scenes at various intervals.
  • And someone else pointed out in a different thread that this was shot at a high frame rate. So that's changed the look of things. Even the color saturation seemed very changed (ex. the end scene with Sherlock and Mrs. Hudson seemed very saturated, esp. with red).
  • [*](edited to add): Narration voice overs to include short

The Six Thatchers » First impressons and discussions » January 2, 2017 10:08 am

I've watched the episode twice now, and below are my impressions.  It may seem like I hated the episode, and I didn't, but there were a few things that stood out as things I didn't like.

I didn't like the change in the style of the show (screen cluttered with weird effects and transitions, bland/generic music, weird camera angles, etc.).  It lacked the iconic "Sherlock" feel and some scenes (John on the bus) felt like they could have been in a rom-com.

Almost everyone felt out of character and their interactions slightly "off."  Sherlock and John teasing Lestrade about being jealous of Sherlock getting all the credit, via John's blog, completely lacked the usual chemistry.  And the idea that Lestrade would actually care seems weird.  He's always freely admitted that he needs Sherlock and isn't a gloryhound (see him giving up the credit for the Waters gang bust, which had nothing to do with Sherlock, to go running to 221B).

The whole bit with the balloon felt weird.  In past seasons, it felt like a funny inside joke that Sherlock would talk to John constantly, even if he wasn't there.  But the balloon thing felt like John being passive aggressively snide or something.  Like Sherlock and John's chemistry was tainted.  In fact, a lot of the callback jokes felt very paint-by-number/let's check this off the list: not remembering Greg's name, it's never twins, Sherlock is not a girl's name, etc.

The whole John flirting/cheating/almost cheating subplot was very weird and out of character for John.  I know the woman will end up having a larger significance and likely targeted John.  But that doesn't excuse his behavior, unless we find out it's some type of weird double bluff and he knew he was being played.

There was just an awkwardness about the whole episode and it seemed that in a quest to make the show darker and more dramatic, they sucked a lot of the warmth and charm out too.  The character building moments, in between the cases, in this episode seeme

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