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Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » How Moriarty must have faked it. » January 14, 2014 2:59 pm

macytree
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What are everyones theories on the little clip of Moriarty after the credits? I do/ did believe he was dead but that little clip would suggest otherwise wouldn't it? That he is either alive or there is another Moriarty waiting in the wings. 

 

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Moriarty theories » January 14, 2014 1:42 pm

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Moved from another post. Hope you don't mind me quoting you dartmoordoggers!

macytree wrote:

dartmoordoggers wrote:

I think it will be a Moriarty; and it will be played by Andrew Scott. Whilst the multi-broadcast is open to the possibilty that anyone could be behind it; there is the further broadcast as the credits finish and program ends. That leaves no doubt as to who it is.
And we were told to watch right to the end.

Thats true, i hadn't thought of that. I was starting to think it must be another villain, and the clip was just a hoax. But like you say, why would they add that bit right at the end after the credits if that was the case? It must be Moriarty. Or A Moriarty. 

Anyone else have any theories regarding that little end clip and why it was put there?

 

 

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » How Moriarty must have faked it. » January 14, 2014 10:28 am

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Sadly I have to agree with Wholocked as much as i would love to believe that Moriarty is still alive, I don't think Moftass would stray that far from the canon. Moriarty does die in TRF. However he DOES have a brother. I think this is the only way we could have (a) Moriarty back on our screens. 

His Last Vow » First Reactions... » January 12, 2014 10:14 pm

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YES!! So this answers all of my questions! (almost)  Excellent.

The Empty Hearse » So that "clue everyone has missed". Do we know what that is? » January 5, 2014 3:16 pm

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In reply to Ruthinks re Moriarty death

Could it be possible that Moriarty killed himself because when he realised Sherlock had won, he would be killed anyway. If we consider (i might be wrong here, but just a theory) that there were people higher up than Moriarty in the network who could have ordered his death, perhaps this would explain his suicide? 

The other explanation I suppose is that he was completely insane and prone to extreme changes in mood and just felt like shooting himself in the head at that particular moment. 

The Empty Hearse » Moriarty theories - The Empty Hearse » January 5, 2014 2:45 pm

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Thanks for the replies guys!

Regina Alexandra wrote:

I think Mycroft must have ordered a 'clean up' operation. The objective would have been to keep Moriarty's network confused. Mycroft's people could then issue fake texts to his network thereby aiding Sherlock as he went around dismantling what was left of the criminal organization.

I think I agree with you on this Regina, Its the only explanation I can think of as well. However Moriartys network must have known about his death as the snipers would have seen him shoot himself, so presumably they couldnt infiltrate the network this way. Ruthinks made a good point in a previous thread, which DavidM also touched upon: 

"As the news reporters say "Richard Brook was proved to be Moriarty after an extensive investigation". Anderson wouldn't have been fired immediately after the Reichenbach showdown. So the police must have come to the hospital terrace and found the body of Moriarty. But Moriarty's body has been used as a decoy according to Anderson. If they found the body,then Anderson would have know and he wouldn't have theorized what he does. Conclusion: They don't find Moriarty's body."

So basically we know that Moriarty can't have been found on the roof, by the police at least. And from the second theory we know that his death is not public knowledge. So either Mycroft arranged a 'clean up' and squirreled the body away somewhere, or his own network somehow managed to get hold of the body.



 

The Empty Hearse » Moriarty theories - The Empty Hearse » January 4, 2014 4:00 pm

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No offence was meant mattlocked, I only wanted to specify that this thread isn't intended to be about Moriarty's death, but rather about what happened after the roof scene in relation to the three theories mentioned in TEH  

 

The Empty Hearse » Moriarty theories - The Empty Hearse » January 4, 2014 3:23 pm

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Ok so I'm gonna give this a go and hope this topic won't be closed. Thanks KKKKK for starting the new Topic, I was in the process of replying but it was closed before i could finish.

So, just to be clear, this topic is regarding theories relating to Moriarty from The Empty Hearse. Not from the Reichenbach Falls- which would of course go in the link Mattlocked very kindly posted in KKKKK's previous topic. 

This is my previous post, in reply to sherlocked who had already touched upon the subject

macytree wrote:

sherlocked wrote:

On a more serious note: to put all Moriarty return theories to bed, has there ever been a public /acknowledgement, that Moriarty's body has been found and that he is dead? Anderson fantasizes about a mask on Moriarty's dead body. Does that mean, he knows about Moriarty being dead? If so, where did his body end up in the end? It cannot have been on the roof, because then Anderson wouldn't speculate, that Moriarty's body had been used. Or has Anderson gone completely gaga? Or Mofftiss didn't think this through and just wanted their gag, which was a good one, btw.

Im glad you brought this up Sherlocked I was just about to make a new post about it! I am also confused about the whereabouts of Moriartys body, and If anybody is actually aware that he is dead.

The first theory suggests that he is dead but nobody knows that he's dead. And that he is probably in Sherlocks fake grave or something.

The second (hilarious) theory suggests that he is still alive. Which would lead me to believe that the public probably doesn't know he is dead. 

And the third implies that he was still on the roof but gives no other info as to what happened to the body or if it was ever discovered. 

I am inclined to believe that his death has not been made public, and concealed in some way. But by whom, and why, has totally stumped me. Anybody have any ideas??

Macy




 

....so yeh, basically I just wondered if anybody had any theories on the myst

The Empty Hearse » The theory he told Anderson - The actual answer?? » January 4, 2014 2:39 pm

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Wholocked wrote:

Guys, seriously, MORIARTY IS DEAD. However, if you do wish to debate something that has already been quite clearly stated by all involved, please start a new thread. This thread is about the final theory

Haha, ok! I wasn't actually suggesting Moriarty was alive, only that I was confused about the whereabouts of his body and wether or not it was common knowledge that he was dead. However i realise I was straying from the subject slightly so I will, as you suggest, start a new topic. 

 

The Empty Hearse » The theory he told Anderson - The actual answer?? » January 4, 2014 1:49 pm

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sherlocked wrote:

On a more serious note: to put all Moriarty return theories to bed, has there ever been a public /acknowledgement, that Moriarty's body has been found and that he is dead? Anderson fantasizes about a mask on Moriarty's dead body. Does that mean, he knows about Moriarty being dead? If so, where did his body end up in the end? It cannot have been on the roof, because then Anderson wouldn't speculate, that Moriarty's body had been used. Or has Anderson gone completely gaga? Or Mofftiss didn't think this through and just wanted their gag, which was a good one, btw.

Im glad you brought this up Sherlocked I was just about to make a new post about it! I am also confused about the whereabouts of Moriartys body, and If anybody is actually aware that he is dead.

The first theory suggests that he is dead but nobody knows that he's dead. And that he is probably in Sherlocks fake grave or something.

The second (hilarious) theory suggests that he is still alive. Which would lead me to believe that the public probably doesn't know he is dead. 

And the third implies that he was still on the roof but gives no other info as to what happened to the body or if it was ever discovered. 

I am inclined to believe that his death has not been made public, and concealed in some way. But by whom, and why, has totally stumped me. Anybody have any ideas??

Macy




 

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