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His Last Vow » Sherlock's love for John » January 16, 2014 12:36 am

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I do think the thirty+ men friends is more obvious this season than any other, which is why we are thinking of them as thirteen year old, LOL, because prior to this season they were fragile and new to feelings. 

Men together are down right mean and evil to one another.  Their humour is way darker than girls, at least all the men I know.  The tricks they play on each other we reserve for enemies.  LOL  I think we have seen more of that this season - like the laughing at John on the train, the darker humour thats been there since the beginning (just shot a bad taxi driver).  It just seems more prevalant during this season than the previous ones.....at least to me.

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His Last Vow » The other brother - my head just exploded » January 16, 2014 12:12 am

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With regards to the thoughts of the third brother.  Mycroft says "You know what happened to the other one" to the people in the room.  As if they should and do know.  This suggests that whatever happened has to be recent, most definitely over puberty, or how would these people even know about him.  Also, no confusion from anyone in the room, if anything that is an air repugnant, like the memory of the other one is bitter. 

What ever happened, (although it's implied Mycroft allowed it to happen) it's quite legendary, enough that everyone in the room knows about it.  This is worth bearing in mind when figuring out his backstory. 

It maybe that whatever happened, was the catalyst that pushed Sherlock into drugs.  I could be wrong, but I don't believe Sherlock has said yet, why he turned to drugs.  We just presumed it was the boredom.  Maybe it was the events surrounding the third brother??

ooh, just realised.  He said he is not prone to brotherly compassion.  This could equally mean that something happened TO the other brother, but Mycroft did not seek revenge or to resolve it outside the law because he is not prone to brotherly compassion.  It could also be the source of the 'feud' between him and Sherlock, the thing that made Sherlock convinced Mycroft doesn't really care.  We have by now, presumed the fued is just year upon year of sibling rivalry, but it could be something a lot darker and deeper than we imagined.

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His Last Vow » Sherlock's love for John » January 15, 2014 11:51 pm

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Ozma wrote:

He's his soulmate, the only person that gets him, knows how to handle him, and completes him.  And this is why I also see in Sherlock a degree of attraction to John - not in a sexual way, but as the fascinated, infatuated feeling that comes with knowing that the person can give us something we need to live.

Yes!  I think he is fascinated.  He seems equally fascinated with John's feelings.  He seems totally shocked at himself for liking someone with 'goldfish tendencies', someone with feelings.  He just looks at John sometimes as if to say, how do you do that??  How do you get in here and make me care?? 

I also love Sherlocks reactions when John backs him with Mycroft.  Like the 'that would embarass both of us' - it's just pure glee.  I think partly becuase it re-inforces John is my friend and not yours.

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His Last Vow » Sherlock's love for John » January 15, 2014 11:43 pm

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clareiow wrote:

I look at Sherlock and John as love, but not in the conventional sense. Not in a sexual way, not in a sensual or romantic way, more in the kind of way Sherlock loves Redbeard. That's not me saying Johns a dog (not at all!) but john is the dependable constant, his rock if you will. He looks to John to steady his emotional ship. He is more of a brother to him than Mycroft, or at least gives Sherlock everything Mycroft hasn't.

Sherlock, as we saw in HLV, is far more emotionally complex than has ever been revealed before. He was clearly bullied by Mycroft, he clearly lost the one thing that didn't judge him (Redbeard) and, for all he has said and done in the past, he made a promise to John. He made his own vow on that wedding day and he never promises anyone. John matters THAT much.

The other thing I observed was Sherlock's excellent ability - despite being on the verge of death a second time - to mediate between John and Mary.

Sorry I'm rambling along here

As far as I'm concerned, ramble away.  LOL.  Yeah, thats what I mean by John being a special person.  He passes every test and Sherlock can depend on him - I don't think he's ever had that.  Someone he can trust and depend on no matter what.  Even when John tattles on him (see drug testing and searches) Sherlock just takes it, when he never has before. 

Going back to the pool scene when it looks like John is Moriaty for that one second he first steps out of the stall - I think Sherlock believes it for that nanosecond because part of him has been expecting to be let down.  I think Sherlock's walls break down gradually over the years, and now he's realised that John's never going to fail him, there are no walls left.  He has the utmost faith in John, because he's earned it.  I dread to think what would happen if John did fail him at any time, it might just break him.....and now I'm rambling.

Mxx

His Last Vow » Sherlock's love for John » January 15, 2014 11:33 pm

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Ozma wrote:

Mirthxx wrote:

This is a Johnlock observation.  There is a bit during the client mary scene, (1:00:00)when Mary turns to John and says (something along the lines of) "And you married me, because he's right, you like that."  It sounds more like resignation.

It looks like it's only just dawned on her that John was drawn to both of them.  And if he was drawn to her enough to fall in love and marry her, then exactly how deeply was he drawn to Sherlock.  She sort of looks resigned after that.  Like she's just realised that John may be in love with Sherlock, and now she has fallen from grace, Sherlock now has the upper hand.

Just looks like there is a lot more in those few seconds - it also looks like John is totally unaware of the deductions Sherlock and Mary are making.  This is most likely because it's just in my head.  LOL

Mxx

I think the fact that everybody praised Mary for at the beginning - her being so open and encouraging about their relationship, trying to push them together and not separate them - like John's other girlfriends had wanted to do - was essentially because she was working hard at not putting herself in a position of antagonism towards Sherlock, exactly because she knew how important he was to John, and essentially because she sort of 'replaced'him, effectively, and she doesn't want to risk John going back on his decision.

As in, now that Sherlock's back you won't need me anymore to make your life full.

She was lucky in this that Sherlock had screwed up so badly that John was scared to get close to him again quickly.

But she knew very well that in order to keep John with her she couldn't possibly look like she was trying to distance him from Sherlock; by showing her support towards their friendship she made sure she kept her prominent role in John's life, and made sure that John didn't start overlooking her in favour of Sherlock (like he'd always done previously in his life).
 

Thing that I wonder abo

His Last Vow » Sherlock's love for John » January 15, 2014 11:23 pm

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shezza wrote:

Mirthxx wrote:

yeah, I actually prefer the second one when they are with Mycroft and he leans forward to whisper in her ear.

Mxx

Ah, totally. He was definitely and ruthlessly playing the game in that moment. Sherlock would be such a perfect Don Juan. What a waste 

Yeah, he was ruthless, but oh it makes you just stand still and watch when he leans in and whispers in that voice *shivers*  He may not play the game - but by god he knows the rules.  With his skills he can be whatever you need him to be.

Mxx 

His Last Vow » Sherlock's love for John » January 15, 2014 11:19 pm

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Wtih regards to the actual show.  I think the current status quo between them satisfies us all.  The moments of love can be interpreted by most parties.  Those who like the BFF can read as aired, johnlockers can read more into it (some scenes easier than others) and those who want Sherlock to high functioning sociopath can read manipulation into it.  Bearing in mind that some people are having trouble with a slightly more 'feely' Sherlock, I can't see them ever creating a relationship more than it is and I'm fine with that.  I like that everyone gets something from it. 

It's not just thier relationship that keeps me tuning in afterall.  Its the slickness of the show, the deep characters and the cases as well.  On a personal level I like to see Sherlock showing humanity, and he always looks so vulnerable when he does it that you (well I) can see the reason why it doesn't come easy to him.  I also like to see John being appreciated.  He's a very special man, and I like when that gets noticed.

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His Last Vow » Sherlock's love for John » January 15, 2014 11:09 pm

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yeah, I actually prefer the second one when they are with Mycroft and he leans forward to whisper in her ear.

Mxx

His Last Vow » Sherlock's love for John » January 15, 2014 10:47 pm

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This is a Johnlock observation.  There is a bit during the client mary scene, (1:00:00)when Mary turns to John and says (something along the lines of) "And you married me, because he's right, you like that."  It sounds more like resignation.

It looks like it's only just dawned on her that John was drawn to both of them.  And if he was drawn to her enough to fall in love and marry her, then exactly how deeply was he drawn to Sherlock.  She sort of looks resigned after that.  Like she's just realised that John may be in love with Sherlock, and now she has fallen from grace, Sherlock now has the upper hand.

Just looks like there is a lot more in those few seconds - it also looks like John is totally unaware of the deductions Sherlock and Mary are making.  This is most likely because it's just in my head.  LOL

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His Last Vow » What Sherlock did... » January 15, 2014 1:44 pm

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Criosdan wrote:

Was there even another choice? There were no physical evidences against Magnussen. And if they would initiate a trail Magnussen would blackmail the judge, the jury and everyone who was involved.
Magnussen was far mor dangerous and evil than a usual murderer. Lord Smallwood even committed suicide. (It was in one newspaper)

Agreed.  The show opened with CAM being investigated by the government.  He reacted by blackmailing the central judge, Lady Smallwood, it is how and why the case was brought to Sherlock in the first place. 

In addition to this, Sherlock and John would be incarcerated, while CAM (without any evidence to say differently) would be free, free to make that phonecall he threatens John with, to alert Mary's enemies to her wereabouts and to end her.  Also, Mycroft is just arriving on the scene and CAM is about to make a play fo him too.

Whatever happens, has to happen now.  Sherlock has to remove the data on Mary, and restrict CAMS movements to stop him acting on that information to the detrement of Mary, and therefore John.  Actions that could be completed in 20 mins and could not be undone once initiated. 

Either he has to trust that Mycroft can do that and (considering he just drugged him, stole his laptop and put his position at jepoardy), he's probably not thinking he can trust him that far.  He's also got John who could figure it all out at any time, and has a gun in his posession (Mycroft might step up to the plate for Sherlock, but we still don't know if he would for John).  With the walls closing in and time being the essence, I think he took the only option open to him.

I don't get why John didn't react more when Sherlock took his gun.  I presume that he mistakingly thought Sherlock had a plan that had a much better ending.

I also think the child is Sherlock's own POV.  It's the image he has in his own mind palace and I take this to be him calling out to his big brother.  Help me brother of mine.

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His Last Vow » Favorite Quotes from His Last Vow » January 15, 2014 1:23 pm

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SolarSystem wrote:

BAMF!John Watson: "Yeah, it's a sprain. I'm a doctor, I know how to sprain people."

I like the line just before it.
"It's squishy, should it be squishy"

Just the way he says it, and the randomness of the terminology, makes me bark a shocked laugh every time, I just can't help it. 

Mxx

His Last Vow » Pictures from His Last Vow » January 15, 2014 1:16 pm

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This one - becuase it reminds me of Sherlock and Moriarty in adjoing cells:



and this one.  He looks like he's smiling, and yet it's deadly.



and just because



It's lucky I'm not married to John.  I'd hide his socks and keys, just so I get to see those intense angry stares.  BAMF John is *sigh*

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His Last Vow » Pictures from His Last Vow » January 15, 2014 1:09 pm

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Have we had this one yet?



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His Last Vow » Pictures from His Last Vow » January 15, 2014 1:07 pm

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Mental note : Never shoot Sherlock.



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His Last Vow » Pictures from His Last Vow » January 14, 2014 8:14 am

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TeeJay wrote:

SilverMoonDragonB wrote:

Make one of that shot where Sherlock is staring at John shortly before shooting CAM! ...If you want 

I will get right on that tonight after work (and yoga). Stay tuned. For now, have another one from the Mind Palace of Death moment:


Sometimes somebody has to die...

Any other requests?

Perfect choice of wording!!  Love it!

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His Last Vow » The other brother - my head just exploded » January 14, 2014 7:37 am

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Tried to look around the Holmes Christmas House to see if there were any pictures of a third brother, but the only photos are behind John when he first comes into the living room, and they are blurred.  *pout*

Guess, we will just have to wait and see if one turns up.  There is the chance that Moriarty's 'return' is instigated by the third brother, hence the timely mention, depending on how and why he departed from his siblings.

Mxx

His Last Vow » First Reactions... » January 14, 2014 7:24 am

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zeratul wrote:

Btw just thinking, if Lady Elisabeth Smallwood wouldn't have contacted Sherlock (and non of the others in that time). What would have happened?
Mary would have shot CAM. Neither Sherlock or John would have known that.
Mary wouldn't have shot Sherlock, Sherlock wouldn't have shot CAM. Everything would be fine...

She's had plenty of time to do that, why choose that night?  I think both Mary and Sherlock recieved the planted intel, and I think CAM put it there.  Janine was knocked out between letting Sherlock in and Sherlock arriving in the lift.  So not only did Mary choose the same night, but the same time.  A night that Sherlock had been told CAM would be out to dinner, and yet Mary had been told he would be in and vulnreable.

I think CAM needed to push the meeting.  Afterall, he can't blackmail Sherlock about Mary, if Sherlock doesn't actually know about Mary can he??  He needs the reveal so he can make his move.  He is a genius strategist, and I think he had everything worked out.  Probably had another security team 'waiting in the wings' in case Sherlock failed to show, he was just stalling for time when Sherlock arrived.

The one thing I don't get is why John didn't tell his wife where he was going??  Or maybe THAT was the catalyst for Mary to visit CAM, but then why ask Sherlock if John was with him??  Seems weird that John didn't say "Oh, met this right prick today at Sherlocks called CAM, pee'd in the fire!!  Anyway, I'm off out tonight to meet Sherlock at this building" (the one that Mary know's CAM is at).

Unless she didn't think Sherlock could use the lift??  After all she supposedly didn't know about Janine at that point but again, can believe John's first words when he walked in thier flat were not "Sherlocks got a girlfriend!!  An actual Girlfriend.  She breathes, she walks, she smiles!!"  LOL

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His Last Vow » Pictures from His Last Vow » January 14, 2014 7:13 am

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tonnaree wrote:

SilverMoonDragonB wrote:

kittykat wrote:

We'd be millionaires!

And I think Ben and Martin outdid themselves in this one ^^

They really did, they're both incredibly talented men. 
 

Can we just give them both another BAFTA now?

^^ Agree with that!!  Everyone was as good as we've come to expect, but both Ben and Martin were outstanding in this season.  So much emotion in just a glance.  Captivating, couldn't look away.

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His Last Vow » Pictures from His Last Vow » January 14, 2014 12:51 am

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ahh, well, just the one more before bed......Angel Sherlock



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His Last Vow » Pictures from His Last Vow » January 14, 2014 12:43 am

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I'm also liking these two:



and....



and because I don't want to flood the thread - I'll leave the rest for another time.  Can you tell I've been going a little crazy on the screen captures??

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