besleybean wrote:

I am sorry:  I strongly disagree.
You cannot say that writers 'went wrong'.
Surely you can only hold the opinion that you personally didn't like what they chose to do?
There is no 'right or wrong'..
It is Mark and Steven's vision and I share it.

 
This!

Liberty wrote:

Mycroft also got a lot more screentime than is usual, and a more important role, but again, I really enjoyed that, particularly towards the end! 

Good point. I suppose, in the end, Mycroft might have had even more screentime than Mary. I never saw anyone complaining about that. Or about Molly or Mrs. Hudson or Lestrade.

tonnaree wrote:

One that I think is being overlooked.

Mycroft is trying to convince Sherlock he has to shoot John, while John looks on.
Mycroft says something to the effect of Soldiers give their lives for their country, you're going to get to do that.
John's response is "shit, he's right."    I wanted to laugh and cry.  John, our amazing soldier.

Oh yes! And then in the same scene when Mycroft said "I suppose there is a heart somewhere inside me. I don't imagine it's much of a target, but why don't we try for that?"
There is so much more meaning in the word heart there than just the organ. Even the iceman has a heart, we always knew but it became so apparent in this episode.
 

Loved the exchange between John and Mycroft that I put into my signature.

"There is a place for people like you, the desperate, the terrified. The ones with nowhere else to run."
"What place?"
"221B Baker Street."

Perfect summary

Also loved Mrs. Hudson:

"Do you want tea?"
"Thank you."
"The kettle's over there."

In combination with John's and Sherlock's smile - priceless

Naavy wrote:

stoertebeker wrote:

Yes, that's why I think she used the grenate to lure them to Sherrinford. And that she expected them to be so clever that they would be able to escape from the explotion. Maybe she thought that if they weren't clever enough to escape from her trap, playing with them wouldn't be interessting anyway.

Sorry, I believe, it is some language problem. English is neither your, nor my first language.
Ich wollte sagen, dass Eurus konnte nicht wirklich sicher sein, dass diese drei Männer überleben werden. Es war eine Granate, ein Sprengtoff.

I understood what you said.
Seems my English is too bad, to make myself understandable.

My opinion on your question is: I think Eurus send the drone to show how powerful she is but I don't think Eurus wanted to kill the three men. I think she expected them to survive, to find a way to leave the flat before the detonation, just like they did.

nakahara wrote:

I wonder why Eurus wanted to kill Sherlock, John and Mycroft with a drone-grenade at the beginning of an episode when later, she did not allow Sherlock to shoot himself saying she is not yet finished playing with him?
Wouldn´t it also ruin the plan she laid out with Moriarty five years ago?

I suppose she estimated that they would find a way to get away from the explosion in time. It was a bit riscy though but to her it might have been a calculated risk with two Holmes involved. And it solved it's purpose. Mycroft wasn't convinced at their talk in Baker Street that Eurus had really escaped but the drone was the final prove. So it was kind of a starting signal/Iinvitation/challenge from her to begin with the game. That's how I see it.

Also, I suppose, that the grenade didn't contain as much explosives as normal. Mycroft said, the floor downstairs would get demaged as well but we saw at the end of the episode that "only" Sherlock's flat was affected.

besleybean wrote:

I decided not to even click!

 
Good decision! Reading that article certainly ruined my morning 
I mean, I do understand, that there are some things in TFP that are questionable but this review put the episode completely to pieces without mentioning anything positiv.
Sorry, I know this is not the thread to convince anybody into liking TFP and that isn't my intention, I'm just wondering how this episode can be so divergently perceived 

Whatched TFP a second time today, and on second watch I love the episode even more  . I suppose TRF will always be my favourite Sherlock episode but TFP follows very close behind.

So my favourite parts, though they were all already mentioned I suppose, are...

- Mycroft's warm smile while watching the video from their childhood
- Mycroft's umbrella weapon (we knew it wasn't just an umbrella, didn't we?)
- "There is a place for people like you, the desperate, the terrified. The ones with nowhere else to run." - "What place?" - "221B Baker Street"
- Mycroft as a client in Baker Street, especially the gestures, their facials expressions and silent communication between John and Sherlock
- "This is family." - "That's why he stays!"
- Mrs Hudson!!! (great taste in music  )
- Mycroft in disguise
- Moriarty ("I want to break free..."  ), I also liked the little video footages of him
- The Molly scene - so intense, so heartbreaking - and Sherlock's breakdown afterwards 
- Mycroft wanting to sacrifice himself and Sherlock's reaction ("not on my watch")
- the revelation about Redbeard - that was really a shock 
- Sherlock finally being able to reach Eurus - despite what she had done, the scene with her and Sherlock in Musgrave was so moving (as well as the following scenes with them playing the violin together)
- Sherlock finally knowing Greg's name
- Greg Lestrade claiming that Sherlock is a good man
- Arwel's cameo in 221B Baker Street 
- John repainting the smiley face and Sherlock shooting at it
- little Rosie and the Baker Street Boys 
- the last 5 minutes made me laugh and cry at the same time
- Sian Brooke was amazing - not only in TFP but in the whole series

kgreen20 wrote:

tonnaree wrote:

Herothedog wrote:

But there were four! Definitely not a fourth brother, but I wonder if that's their way of saying series four is the end, or we're missing one and the story isn't through yet. I guess it could be interpreted either way.

John is the fourth.  Sherlock made it clear that John is family now and should be treated as such.  
Mycroft has a brother-in-law in spirit if not in canon.  

Or a second brother, rather, since there's never been any romantic involvement between Sherlock and John.

Question is, will Mycroft ever accept John as a second brother in spirit?

 

I think, he already has. He was willing to die for him (well, instead of him to be precise).

tonnaree wrote:

And ending is just the beginning of something else.
We saw Sherlock journey from being a great man to being a good man as well.
I am very happy.
 

 
Yes, my tears started flowing when Lestrade said that and I'm still crying (I just finished the episode, I waited for it being on the iPlayer to have subtitles).

Yes, I think it's the end, and I'm ok with it. I didn't expect what we saw tonight, I'm overwhelmed, heartbroken and overjoyed at the same time. And I think the end was perfect.

Oh, has anybody seen Loo's lovely tweet? I don't know how to insert a tweet here, so you have to look by yourself please, it was this afternoon. It was a lovely and touching thank you to the fans and it sadly sounded like a farewell