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January 21, 2015 9:42 pm  #41


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Soo, I managed to watch all three episodes. I really like series 2 but not as much as series 1. Why? Just some points (without spoiler tags because there is a warning in the title of the thread and I am too lazy http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png
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- Series 1 completely focussed on the investigation into Danny's death. All personal background stories were somehow integrated into the narrative or necessary to create the right atmosphere. To me series 2 feels a bit scattered - there is the trial but also the Sandbrook backstory and the two female barristers who seem to have issues with each other. Bit much going on at the same time. 

- Series 1 seemed more credible. IMO Alec hiding Claire and being constantly threatened by her husband is interesting but slightly overdone. 

- I have a serious problem with Sharon's character. Too clichéd in my opinion. So far I do not understand her callous behaviour towards Ellie, Alec, and the Latimers - pure ambition? Unsolved issues with Jocelyn (who I like very much as a character and Charlotte Rampling is great). Why is she so keen on defending a man who killed a child and confessed to the murder? 

- And one last point: I do not like the secret meetings between Mark and Tom. Maybe they are meant to somehow reflect the relationship between Joe and Danny but they leave a bad taste in my mouth. Basically Mark does the same thing Joe did. Using a child as a confessor, a sort of psychological or emotional crutch. I think this is actually the part I dislike most. Maybe there is a purpose to it but for know I do not like it. 


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January 22, 2015 8:40 am  #42


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Welcome to the Former Detectives Club, Susi! http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png
 (Not enough fangirling yet, my dear, but you probably haven't seen the light yet...) http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png


I actually do agree with you on some of the points you've made. Especially the problem with the different structure in S2. I also feel that there is the danger of losing some of the tension we had practically at all times during S1. Now we have the Sandbrook case and the Latimer case, and both cases are only connected through Alec, at least up until now. It's a bit like jumping from one story to the other at times, and I hope they'll bring both stories closer together at one point - although I have no idea how.

Sharon: I don't like her at all, like I already mentioned, but for now I'll just wait and see. I'm sure there is more background story to her, and we will get it. There has to be an explanation for her aggressive behaviour, and I'm pretty sure there is one. She has a history with Jocelyn, there is something going on with her son... I hope it'll all make sense in the end.

Mark and Tom: At this point this doesn't bother me, I have to admit. Simply because I have no idea what's going on exactly. Mark seems to be with Tom quite often, at least judging by the fact that Beth very often tries to call him in vain. I don't know where this story will be going, but right now it would make sense to me if Mark used Tom as some kind of substitute for Danny. Which certainly isn't very healthy, but somehow understandable. And also, maybe Tom is using Mark as a substitute for his father...? (I have to add though that I don't have children, maybe a mother or father has completely different feelings about this.)

By the way: I don't like Claire very much. She definitely is hiding something, but whatever that may be... right now I don't like her. And I don't like the fact that she is around Ellie so much. She isn't good for Ellie, that's my feeling.
 

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January 22, 2015 10:11 am  #43


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Sorry, but I am not a Tennant fangirl. I really like him as an actor but I suppose he will never be someone who makes my heart beat faster. I can only stay true to one man. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png


Mark and Tom: No idea if it has to do with the fact that I have a son myself. It just strikes me as unhealthy, not in a sexual sense but because I do get the feeling that Mark gets something from Tom while Tom seems quite detached towards Mark. Not sure what he expects from this but I am not sure it is paternal affection. We will see. 

Yes, Claire was behind Ellie getting drunk and sleeping with a stranger which seems to be quite ouf ot character. There is something strange going on. And she does not strike me as the poor blameless wife threatened by the evil husband. 
 

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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

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January 22, 2015 12:21 pm  #44


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SusiGo wrote:

Sorry, but I am not a Tennant fangirl. I really like him as an actor but I suppose he will never be someone who makes my heart beat faster. I can only stay true to one man. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png

It's all fine. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/smile.png


SusiGo wrote:

Mark and Tom: No idea if it has to do with the fact that I have a son myself. It just strikes me as unhealthy, not in a sexual sense but because I do get the feeling that Mark gets something from Tom while Tom seems quite detached towards Mark. Not sure what he expects from this but I am not sure it is paternal affection. We will see.

We haven't seen a whole lot of Tom yet, so it's hard to tell what his motivation might be. We know that he doesn't have any contact to Ellie nor Joe, so both his parents are out of the picture right now. Maybe he wants to get back at them somehow by having contact wirth Mark? But they don't even know about it (yet), so... really hard to tell. And if Mark was being honest while holding his newborn daugther in his arms and talking about protection and that she'll be loved so much, then for me that would mean that he spends a lot of time at home with his family from now on. Where would that leave Tom?

SusiGo wrote:

Yes, Claire was behind Ellie getting drunk and sleeping with a stranger which seems to be quite ouf ot character. There is something strange going on. And she does not strike me as the poor blameless wife threatened by the evil husband.

There is something strange going on with Claire, I can feel it. She's definitely not as innocent as she seemed to be at first sight. If Lee really has something to do with the Sandbrook case, so does Claire, I'm sure of it.
 


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January 22, 2015 12:26 pm  #45


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Yes, Tom seemed a bit enigmatic in series 1 as well. And somehow distant from his parents. Lonely. I would like to know more about him. 

And btw, where is Fred? And who is looking after him and Tom? It cannot be Ellie because she spends a lot of time in Broadchurch and at court instead of being in Devon where she works now. Not sure I got that right from ep. 1. 


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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January 22, 2015 4:11 pm  #46


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I'm not sure about Fred, but Tom doesn't want to see Ellie. It was said in episode 1 that he is staying with Ellie's sister. We have seen Fred in the first episode, Ellie brought him with her to the house in which Claire is hiding. But apart from that, I have no idea who is looking after him. He is in some sort of childcare though, after Ellie's appointment at the therapist she says to Alec that she has to pick him up.


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January 22, 2015 6:09 pm  #47


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I have to admit, the melodrama is getting to me a bit (not to mention the unbelievability of the trial- a judge cannot FORCE a wife to testify against her spouse, that's basic law).  But the hatred towards Ellie is rather unbelievable and really over the top.

I just hate it because I loved the first series...but they are really going overboard in this series to try and top it.  Wish they had pulled back some.


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January 27, 2015 10:30 am  #48


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Let me just say that I liked yesterday's episode very much, although I had the feeling they tried to stuff a lot of different things into those 45 minutes. What really starts to get on my nerves a bit are those recurring 'surprises' in court... it's not very realistic that new evidence and new witnesses seem to pop up out of the blue, without the opposing party knowing very much (if anything) about it. It kind of makes sense that Sharon tries to turn Nigel into the killer now... I just hope that Jocelyn will ask the right questions about that in the next epsiode. 

Apart from that: I like that we get to know a bit more about Alec's past - although I think it's a bit dangerous for the flow and the tension of the show to open too many battlefields at once. Here Broadchurch, there Sandbrook... right now it's a bit like two stories which are running side by side but not together. 
But I loved all those Alec moments we got in this epsisode, starting with the very first scene when he's having a nightmare. Then the scene in the car when he's talking about how he found Pippa's body and then later in the hotel and with his wife and daughter. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/love.png

(And the longer I look at those gifs, the more I'm reminded of John at the beginning of ASiP...)

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January 27, 2015 8:54 pm  #49


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I liked all of Alec's scenes. And I agree that there is very much material squeezed into 45 minutes and that Sandbrook and the Broadchurch run parallel with Alec being the only connection. But all in all a very interesting episode and Ricky as a new suspect is an unexpected turn. I liked the shot on the bluebell pic hanging on his office wall. 

But there is one thing that really annoys me - who on earth would leave a traumatised 13- or 14-year-old boy alone so very often? Is his aunt an adequate substitute for a parent? I believe not. So we have him alone in the trailer and now Mark has left him as well. Having a son who is only slightly older this really hurts me. Tom is a victim, too, but nobody cares for him. Even Susan sends him away. I fear he is a ticking bomb. 

 


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January 27, 2015 9:22 pm  #50


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Oh, I think Ellie cares for him very, very much and would love to see him (and live with him!) more than anything else in the world. But it was made clear in the first episode that he refuses to have any contact with her. But I agree, it's a bit not good, and I think they really need to show us an attempt from Ellie to establish contact with him again. We should at least see her give it a try.
And I don't think that Ellie's sister is an adequate substitute for Ellie.
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February 17, 2015 10:35 am  #51


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Oh wow, so if anyone wants to see a tv show that gives you some Johnlock feelings and isn't "Sherlock", you should watch Broadchurch. Or at least season 2, episode 7. Or better the whole season. That's a very nice example of how you can include characters in a tv show that don't say openly "Hey, I'm gay!", but where you have some subtext - and then they finally kiss. Wonderful. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/love.png
 
 

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February 17, 2015 2:15 pm  #52


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Oh. God. Yes. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/love.png


And such a beautiful scene between two older women which is very unusual in itself. 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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February 17, 2015 3:06 pm  #53


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SusiGo wrote:

Oh. God. Yes. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/love.png

And such a beautiful scene between two older women which is very unusual in itself. 

That's true. And the chemistry between those two ladies is wonderful.
I already liked the character of Maggie very much in the first season, because I had the impression that she does have a certain kind of professional ethics. It was easy to believe that she has seen lots of things in the past and tries to share her experience with stupid little Olly. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png


But it seems that kiss took most viewers by surprise:
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February 17, 2015 5:22 pm  #54


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These reactions are frankly stupid.


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May 1, 2015 2:03 am  #55


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I really enjoyed both seasons of this show, though it did bring me to tears a few times and left me feeling emotionally drained (though that's nothing new what with being a Sherlock fan).

It made sense for them to deal with Joe's case and I loved that they went back and gave closure to the one that brought Hardy to Broadchurch to begin with.

I know they confirmed a third season so I'm very curious to see what it will be about.

 

June 8, 2015 5:15 pm  #56


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I have just finished watching the first season of Broadchurch and really enjoyed it.  Didn't even recognise Andrew Buchan - he looked very different to me from when he played in The Sinking of the Laconia.  Really loved Jodo Whittaker in her role as Beth (I did recognise her from when I watched her in The Smoke with Jamie Bamber).  This is also the first time I have seen David Tennant in anything and thought he was excellent.  And of course Olivia Coleman was super!

I don't know when we will be able to see the second season - only series one is available to us right now.  So I was very careful not to look too hard at all the posts in this thread (I knew from the title that spoilers would be in the thread). 

I will definitely be interested in seeing more of this show.  I also loved, loved, loved the photography and music in this show. 

Oh, and I forgot to add that I had a little start when I saw the coat that the vicar was wearing and thought it looked a lot like the coat that Ben wears (a Belstaff Roadmaster) on occasion...
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If it isn't the exact same coat it is a lot like it. 

Still, just gorgeous all the same!
 
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March 10, 2017 4:59 pm  #57


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I'd love to hear your thoughts about the third (and sadly final) series. I love it, I think it's better than the second one so far, the new case is very moving and compelling (and the victim is still alive, which is new and refreshing). I think they incorporated old characters rather well and I'm glad it looks like Danny's case is finally behind us.


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March 14, 2017 6:48 am  #58


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Pav wrote:

and I'm glad it looks like Danny's case is finally behind us.

Sadly that doesn't seem to be the case. Mark is a real pain in the ass, if you ask me... it's almost as if he's obsessed. On the one hand I understand him, but on the other hand I just wanna slap him in the face. And in terms of the whole show it somehow doesn't feel right to return to this on such a huge scale. I almost couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the lawyer from S2 (forgot his name....) in yesterday's episode.
But apart from that I absolutely love S3 so far. The dynamics between Alec and Ellie are getting better and better, all of their scenes together are pure joy to me. There have been so many highlights already, I can't wait to see what will come next.
The case is also very gripping. The first half of the first episode was beyond brilliant, great writing, great acting. If they can keep this up until the end of S3 it'll be very, very hard to let go of this show. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/errr.png
 
 


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March 23, 2017 10:47 am  #59


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The 4th episode was amazing! Alec and Ellie are the best. Their scenes are highlights for me as well. I also love Ellie's facial expressions. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png
And the date was hilarious, I couldn't stop laughing. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png
You're right, it seems Danny's case is not behind us. I hope the series will end with Mark finally accepting his death and moving on. As for the suspects, they keep adding more and more, it's so frustrating! And I'm really curious: what happened to Alec's daughter? I hope we'll find out soon.
 


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March 23, 2017 11:51 am  #60


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Pav wrote:

And I'm really curious: what happened to Alec's daughter? I hope we'll find out soon.
 

Maybe it has something to do with "the boys"?
 


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