BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 / Series 3 discussion SPOILER THREAD!!! WARNING!!! SPOILERS!!!

**Posted by Be** July 22, 2013 1:54 pm

I haven't read or seen many spoilers, but the ones I have seen either don't make sense or are ridiculous: The moustache, the big blue air bag, the refilming of the fall sequence, the tie-wearing, the guards, the best man audio is too much...
The more spoilers I see the more I think that series 3 will develope Sherlock into a very different animal.

I am not worried about the ending of series 3 as long as they do a fourth one. Soon.

**Posted by besleybean** July 22, 2013 2:08 pm

I think there'll be a 4th, but not soon.

**Posted by sj4iy** July 22, 2013 2:19 pm

Be wrote:
I haven't read or seen many spoilers, but the ones I have seen either don't make sense or are ridiculous: The moustache, the big blue air bag, the refilming of the fall sequence, the tie-wearing, the guards, the best man audio is too much...
The more spoilers I see the more I think that series 3 will develope Sherlock into a very different animal.

I am not worried about the ending of series 3 as long as they do a fourth one. Soon.

It all makes sense in context. And series 3 will be very different. It has to be. John moves on without Sherlock, and their relationship changes. So yes, it is a different animal.

**Posted by sj4iy** July 22, 2013 2:27 pm

besleybean wrote:
Tho a bit of human realism would be nice.
Real life male friends are much more demonstrably affectionate towards each other, than Sherlock and John are.
Canon Holmes and Watson are much more physically affectionate with each other than our boys.

They probably would be, except that Sherlock literally doesn't get it. John can't really joke around with him about sports or something. Their friendship is very different- sort of like police partners. They've been through a lot together, and they care about each very much, but they maintain a professional relationship.

**Posted by Gretel** July 22, 2013 2:37 pm

Sherlock Holmes wrote:
Haha, I have to say I was impressed by the amount of people who inundated me for spoiler requests. Well done guys. None of you have any self control anymore.

I learned my lesson back in Harry Potter--I avoided spoilers for book 6, then once I got it felt possessed to get through it RIDICULOUSLY fast to find out what was going to happen...and within a month I'd forgotten every subtlety of character and plot that I had glanced my eyes over in the feverish once-through. It was like I'd just lost the whole book, but I knew what Horrific OMG Evil Scary Thing happened at the end and who did it.

So for book 7 I read spoilers, knew before I started who was going to live and who was going to not make it to the end, and then I read the book. I thoroughly enjoyed it, I was able to immerse myelf in it, I wept when said characters expired, I cheered when the final victory occurred, I was able to really read it.

Since then, I fully recognize myself as a person for whom knowing "spoilers" doesn't spoil a damn thing. :-) So thank you.

**Posted by Gretel** July 22, 2013 2:40 pm

besleybean wrote:
Tho a bit of human realism would be nice.
Real life male friends are much more demonstrably affectionate towards each other, than Sherlock and John are.
Canon Holmes and Watson are much more physically affectionate with each other than our boys.

Yeah, but--remember this series takes place as they are younger; the events even of Series 2, and certainly it appears of Series 3, are the kinds of things which I can see bringing them forward into time and becoming the middle-aged guys we know from the stories.

MY worry, if I have one, is that our younger guys are (to me) much more interesting and fun than the grownup Holmes and Watson in the books, whom I sometimes find sort of insuffrable. I hope they are able to keep the edge.

(BTW, re the audio, y'all know the hug thing has been debunked, right? There is no hug. Knowing that made it MUCH better for me.)

**Posted by kittykat** July 22, 2013 2:44 pm

I'm hoping for at least one hug, somewhere in the series. They're best friends and best friends should hug!

Moving the Johnlock thing aside for a moment, they do love each other and they should definitely hug!

**Posted by Gretel** July 22, 2013 3:25 pm

kittykat wrote:
I'm hoping for at least one hug, somewhere in the series. They're best friends and best friends should hug!

Moving the Johnlock thing aside for a moment, they do love each other and they should definitely hug!

Okay, I don't want to venture into ticking anyone off here, because I'm genuinely delighted--but I love hearing this from y'all on the other side of the Pond. The generalization about the British over here in the States, and especially British men, is this sense of hugely emotionally repressed non-demonstrative emotional incompetence. (Reinforced by characters like Ron Weasley and Sherlock and Hugh Grant in Bridget Jones and doubtless a few more I can't call to mind right now...) (Remember when Hermione accused Ron of having "the emotional range of a teaspoon"? Loved that line...) The whole "you are tremendously important to me and I assumed you knew because of course I would never tell you" thing. So hearing people say, "best friends should hug, no way are guys as nondemonstrative as these two" helps burst a big generalization bubble for this Midwesterner, and thank you. :-)

That said, I always assumed "no one could be such an annoying dick all the time" was as close as John and Sherlock would get to overt expression of affection, so hearing "you are my best friend" out of John's mouth is practically a bear hug. I think they may just express things differently. And hopefully there is room to grow.

**Posted by kittykat** July 22, 2013 3:31 pm

Can't wait to see that clip, I hear the look on Sherlock's face when he realises what John is saying is priceless! Apparently he just freezes there for a good five minutes! That's comedy gold right there!

**Posted by kittykat** July 22, 2013 4:05 pm

Did they say when Series 3 will air?

**Posted by sj4iy** July 22, 2013 4:40 pm

Still saying end of 2013/beginning of 2014.

**Posted by tobeornot221b** July 22, 2013 4:44 pm

sj4iy wrote:
Still saying end of 2013/beginning of 2014.

So we will be in "All I want for Christmas/Skip Christmas" mode. Again...

**Posted by the_dancing_woman** July 22, 2013 5:03 pm

tobeornot221b wrote:
So we will be in "All I want for Christmas/Skip Christmas" mode. Again...

YEAH! ...(again)

**Posted by besleybean** July 22, 2013 5:10 pm

I like starting my new year with Sherlock.

**Posted by Titania** July 22, 2013 7:18 pm

6 months to wait..an eternity!

**Posted by kittykat** July 22, 2013 7:42 pm

So we in the UK will get it this year? Yay!

**Posted by besleybean** July 22, 2013 7:44 pm

Could be January.

**Posted by kittykat** July 22, 2013 7:54 pm

Could be sooner

**Posted by Mary Me** July 22, 2013 8:18 pm

Titania wrote:
6 months to wait..an eternity!

**Posted by besleybean** July 22, 2013 9:43 pm

Could cancel Xmas permanently for me.
But as I say, I like New Year Sherlock.