Lovely idea for a thread?

As for how I wish S5 to be,my question back at you would be - my fantasy S5 or a more realistic one? 

What I would love, though, would be - as mentioned in another thread - more backstory on the relationship between Sherlock and Mycroft. I would also love more backstory on John. And even though it was implied in the ending montage, I would love to see Sherlock and John being more at peace with both themselves and one another.

Interesting ideas all around...this has got me thinking.

While there are a lot of Doyle stories that have been adapted, there are still some that haven't, some of which I have read and some of which I haven't. The Silver Blaze, The Red-Headed League and The Noble Bachelor come to mind (I think all 3 still haven't been completely adapted). And since I wrote a fanfic last year based on The Noble Bachelor but before series 4 came out (so it had a different outcome for Mary), I'm curious how Steven and Mark would handle it in comparison to what I did with it. I'm sure they'd be able to extend it more than I did. On somewhat of a personal level, I'm curious what their spin on it would be compared to mine.

I think Euros would definitely appear, and that's what I would want. Maybe we'd see her pull off some other disguise to get out of Sherrinford to see the others. Maybe Sherlock and/or John wouldn't recognize her at first when she comes to 221B, but then one of them figures it out first and waits for the other to realize that it's her. That's not a whole plot, but a fun moment that I would enjoy seeing.

Greg getting together with Molly could be fun, I agree. Molly's crush on Sherlock seems like it could realistically be passing.

Sherlock and John are raising the baby now. While we've gotten some hints at what Sherlock is like as a babysitter, I would enjoy some more sweet and funny moments related to that. Again, this isn't an entire episode's plot, but something I would enjoy seeing included in the episodes. Maybe Mrs. Hudson would get in on the action. They could think they've left the baby alone to long, only to discover that Mrs. Hudson has had everything under control all along.

Even though Morirarty is dead, since he's the virus in Sherlock's brain, I think it would interesting to see him appear in Sherlock's thought during a case or two. There could be some tension there, perhaps getting him to think certain ways that he might not want to think about or acknowledge but has to in order to solve something that's right in front of him.

That's all I can think of for now.

Yes, I would love to see Moriarty again. It was only when he "returned" in TFP that I realised how much I had missed him. However, I don't really want him to go "Haha, not dead after all" nor do I want him included in many more after-death plots. Both are a bit too cliche if it's done too often. And there aren't really room for many more flashbacks either, seeing as there aren't any scenes between Sherlock and Moriarty we haven't already seen. 

So not sure how they could do it and do it well. But would still love to see more Moriarty.

Vhanja wrote:

Lovely idea for a thread?

As for how I wish S5 to be,my question back at you would be - my fantasy S5 or a more realistic one? 

What I would love, though, would be - as mentioned in another thread - more backstory on the relationship between Sherlock and Mycroft. I would also love more backstory on John. And even though it was implied in the ending montage, I would love to see Sherlock and John being more at peace with both themselves and one another.

I, too, want more backstory on John, much more!  We actually have more backstory on Mary Morstan than we do on John, and that's not right!  That gap really needs to be filled in, and Season 5 will be the perfect season to take care of that.  I want to learn about his boyhood (complete with flashback scenes of his childhood--it should be easy enough for Moffat and Gatiss to find a little boy with straight blond hair to play little John), his years in college and then as house officer, and his 3 years in the army, especially the day he was shot at the end.  I want to know about the circumstances that led to his life-altering injury, and why he couldn't stay in the army once his shoulder had healed.  We know why canon Dr. Watson was discharged from the army, but we don't know why John was.

More than that, I want John to go through the same thing that Sherlock goes through in Season 4.  I want him to go through a symbolic journey just as Sherlock did before him in "The Final Problem", one that gives him a chance to face and then come to terms with his past, and make peace with it.  Given his trust issues and other issues, it's a good bet that Sherlock is not the only one with demons underneath the road he walks.  John probably has them, too (read this blog: http://esterbrook.tumblr.com/post/104562523718/something-has-been-niggling-at-the-back-of-my-mind).  I want John's friends--Sherlock, Mycroft, Mrs. Hudson, Mollie, and even Sherlock and Mycroft's parents--to give him love and support while he's doing so; he will need it.  Once he has faced and overcome those demons, it'll be easier for him to be at peace with himself.  Since he is now raising Rosie as a single father, he needs that.

I also think that he should be fighting for his life this time.  Sherlock has twice been hospitalized, fighting for his life, in the 3rd and 4th seasons.  On the next go-around, I think it should be John's turn.

And I want Sherlock and Mycroft's parents to become parental figures to John and honorary grandparents to Rosie.  Since John's parents are apparently dead, since there's a real possibility that he did not have a good relationship with them during his growing-up years, and since all he has is an alcoholic sister he doesn't get on with and at least one cousin he's probably not close to, the elder Holmeses would be great substitute parents for John, and marvelous grandparents for his daughter.  Needless to say, Mrs. Hudson is also an honorary grandparent to Rosie, and Molly is her honorary aunt.  (Of course, for either of those things to be able to happen, Season 5 has to be filmed while Una Stubbs and Benedict's parents are still alive!  So it needs to be done within the next few years, not a whole decade or more down the road.)

 

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And the info on his CV, given in "The Blind Banker" (read http://wellingtongoose.tumblr.com/post/56726002080/explaining-john-watsons-cv).  We know where John grew up, where he went to school and college, and where he served as house officer (and what years that he was in each).  But even with that additional info, we still don't know nearly enough.
 

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I see your point about John's violence. But I don't necessarily need to see a "reason" for that, but backstory in general. There are many fanfics author that assumes John's parents (or at least his father) was abusive, and they say it's implied in his official blog. I am not sure what they base that on, but it would be interesting to learn more about his parents anyhow.

I am myself a bit weary of drama involving Rosie. It would just be too cliche if someone kidnapped or threatened her. Then again, I guess that can be done if it's written well.

But, yes, I agree with  John being the one who ought to be in danger now. Not because someone wants to get to Sherlock, but someone actually targetting him. Or, the other way around, Sherlock being in real danger (not danger he has acted and planted, but something unforeseen) and John actually making a proper effort and being a proper friend and hero to save him.

I think I have read too many fanfics... 

Vhanja wrote:

I see your point about John's violence. But I don't necessarily need to see a "reason" for that, but backstory in general. There are many fanfics author that assumes John's parents (or at least his father) was abusive, and they say it's implied in his official blog. I am not sure what they base that on, but it would be interesting to learn more about his parents anyhow.

I am myself a bit weary of drama involving Rosie. It would just be too cliche if someone kidnapped or threatened her. Then again, I guess that can be done if it's written well.

But, yes, I agree with  John being the one who ought to be in danger now. Not because someone wants to get to Sherlock, but someone actually targetting him. Or, the other way around, Sherlock being in real danger (not danger he has acted and planted, but something unforeseen) and John actually making a proper effort and being a proper friend and hero to save him.

I think I have read too many fanfics... 

I'll go with John being targeted personally.  By someone from his past seeking revenge against him, or an evil psychopath like Culverton Smith who targets him.  Perhaps both.
 

I think I wouldn't need Moriarty back. But what about maybe a "new" "Moriarty" as he is known from canon. There could be a professor in mathematics as the new baddie? He is not called Moriarty but could bring with him the classical Moriartys traits.


I would like to see some backgroundstory on John, although I wouldn't be disappointed if not. Just a little bit here and there. I think we should know more about what happened in Afghanistan to him and his work at the military. Other things may be kept a mystery... I don't need to know whats up with his parents for example.

I agree. It is about time for John to save Sherlock and not just because he is told by his dead wife to do so. And I would also welcome an interesting case in which we see them as equals - something like their chemistry in TFP but less bizarre. A really great case with lots of laughter and chases and maybe some parentlock in between.