BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 / The Final Problem: First impressions

**Posted by Naavy** January 25, 2017 9:51 pm

About Irene's feelings

"I like detective stories – and detectives. Brainy’s the new sexy."
And couple scenes later:
"An accomplished sportsman recently returned from foreign travel with ... a boomerang. You got that from one look? Definitely the new sexy."
-from http://arianedevere.livejournal.com/

I understand, she was attracted to Sherlock, but thanks his intelligence.

Liberty wrote:
I like to assume that her talent for knowing what people liked didn't fail her. So what we saw, is what he likes.

Can we be sure whether he knew it?

**Posted by besleybean** January 25, 2017 9:54 pm

Irene deduced correctly that she could get to Sherlock.

**Posted by Tilly11** January 30, 2017 6:20 pm

Hey all, Question:
In my many re-watches, I haven't seen a dead Viking or pirate, but remember comments either here or on Twitter about who played the dead Viking. He's in the credits too. Can't remember the name, but apparently a rock star or some other sort of star? I'm assuming it'd be in the flash back scenes to when they were little kids playing pirates. Can anyone tell me where to look, or if it's been edited out of PBS telecasts? If so, I wonder what else may be missing. :-(

**Posted by besleybean** January 30, 2017 6:23 pm

No it's right at the end when they have cases and clients coming into 221 B...it's the guy on the floor!

**Posted by Tilly11** January 30, 2017 6:24 pm

Haaa! THAT GUY!!! Thanks, BB!

**Posted by Vhanja** March 1, 2017 8:29 pm

Not sure where to put this, so I put it here - an interesting analysis of TFP:

(And he's done these videoes for all episodes in S4)

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**Posted by Liberty** March 1, 2017 8:59 pm

Very nice whiz through! I like the bit about the no one/anyone Amo/Nemo connection.

I prefer to think that the painting in Mycroft's house resembles Timothy Carlton, rather than Isaac Newton!

**Posted by Vhanja** March 1, 2017 9:06 pm

Timothy Carlton? Isn't that the name of Ben's father?

**Posted by Liberty** March 1, 2017 9:22 pm

Yes, and Sherlock and Mycroft's father - an ancestor might have a family resemblance! I think that maybe one of the other ancestors looks like Mycroft too.

**Posted by Vhanja** March 17, 2017 7:00 pm

Not sure where to put this, so let me just say - I LOVE the "I want to break free!" Moriarty intro! All the scenes with Moriarty in this episode made me realize how much I miss him, and I am so happy they brought him back. (Even though I would've preferred if TRF was different so that Moriarty REALLY was back - no noe can match him).

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**Posted by Lis** March 17, 2017 7:45 pm

I loved the "I want to break free" bit too! Moriarty is such a great character and Andrew plays him so well! I really love the way he speaks too, the way he says "I'm a bit down with the kids you know" always makes me smile.

**Posted by Vhanja** March 17, 2017 7:53 pm

That entire bit with Moriarit is a highlight of episode. And it wasn't until I realised that I saw that as a highlight, I realised how much I missed him.

**Posted by besleybean** March 17, 2017 10:30 pm

It was a delight watching it in the cinema: the whole place erupted as soon as we heard the 'I wanna' break free' music. I turned to my neighbour and said: here he comes!
I will never get over the ' How do you want me?' line!

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**Posted by Vhanja** March 17, 2017 10:33 pm

That must have been unforgettable, watching that scene in the cinema!

**Posted by besleybean** March 17, 2017 10:37 pm

It was brilliant: we all laughed and cried and shouted out in the same places!

**Posted by cmb711** May 22, 2017 11:33 am

Sorry, not impressed. It had some good emotional punch in many places; these actors are good at that. But. . .

As others have said, I can't imagine institutionalizing a five-year-old in the 1970's or later (?) and never again referring to her existence. I can't imagine having three children, one of whom kills or at least does something to lead to the death of another's best friend, and not putting the whole family into serious counseling from the beginning. I can't imagine having a missing child on your property and not thinking to search an open well. I can't imagine taking someone who is deprived of the most basic human contact, including touch, because you are afraid of her influence over people, and giving that person access to the internet, through which she could easily influence others long-distance (a possibility that is never mentioned, which seems strange to me in this day of internet recruiting of terrorists). But mostly, I cannot believe that a woman who had spent her entire life in mental institutions with "minimal human contact" could for an instant pull off her acting jobs as Faith, E, and the psychiatrist. Look at her as she is portrayed in this episode; she may be able to be persuasive and to mentally "take over" someone who spent a lot of time with her one-on-one, but no one, ever, would mistake her for a normal human being.

**Posted by SusiGo** May 22, 2017 12:43 pm

I could not agree more. There are exactly my problems with TFP. This does not make sense, not in reality and not the Sherlock universe.

**Posted by nakahara** May 22, 2017 12:59 pm

cmb711 wrote:
Sorry, not impressed. It had some good emotional punch in many places; these actors are good at that. But. . .

As others have said, I can't imagine institutionalizing a five-year-old in the 1970's or later (?) and never again referring to her existence. I can't imagine having three children, one of whom kills or at least does something to lead to the death of another's best friend, and not putting the whole family into serious counseling from the beginning. I can't imagine having a missing child on your property and not thinking to search an open well. I can't imagine taking someone who is deprived of the most basic human contact, including touch, because you are afraid of her influence over people, and giving that person access to the internet, through which she could easily influence others long-distance (a possibility that is never mentioned, which seems strange to me in this day of internet recruiting of terrorists). But mostly, I cannot believe that a woman who had spent her entire life in mental institutions with "minimal human contact" could for an instant pull off her acting jobs as Faith, E, and the psychiatrist. Look at her as she is portrayed in this episode; she may be able to be persuasive and to mentally "take over" someone who spent a lot of time with her one-on-one, but no one, ever, would mistake her for a normal human being.

Excellent points!

**Posted by besleybean** May 22, 2017 6:28 pm

I can only repeat that I adored Eurus in herself and particularly loved her relationship with Sherlock...just wanted to see more.

**Posted by Schmiezi** May 22, 2017 7:25 pm

I don't mind all those flaws in logic. What I mind is the story arch: We are told that Sherlock will move on from what happened at Sherrinford and Musgrave, thst he will grow, that he will deal with what happened in the past and that all this will surely change him - but we don't know if we will be able to watch it.

Those six seconds at the end of TFP are not enough.