Interesting idea to speculate about the NEED for series 5. The stress on 221b as a refuge was quite strong in TFP and they might go in that direction with futures episodes. But for there is another fact that seems to call for more - that fact that (at least to me) some important things are missing. 

- We are never told what the nature of the "childish feud" between Sherlock and Mycroft was. They have referred to this from ASiP on but it has never been explained. If Sherlock forgot about Eurus and Victor, why the constant rivalry with Mycroft? Just a normal sibling thing? What about the list and and the file regarding Mummy? 

- On an emotional note: I would really, really wish to have someone care for Sherlock. He has cared for and sacrificed himself for others in all those episodes, he has been tortured and shot and beaten and kicked and not once did anyone say sorry to him. Instead he had to keep apologising over and over again. I know that this hope may be futile, but without this the story feels still incomplete to me. 

- John Watson. By now we know so much about Sherlock and so little about John. He seems to exist in a sort of vacuum: no friends, no family (we ever see), nothing. 


P.S.: They have been telling us for years that Benedict and Martin are too busy. But if all people involved really want to continue, they will find a way. At least for a special. They are free to choose which projects they want to do. So why not do Sherlock - provided they wish to do so?
 

Last edited by SusiGo (January 26, 2017 7:33 am)

Besleybean, no one can say, it is wrong, if the excellent actors (and writers too) want to try something new. They have every right to do it, and I am going to keep my fingers crossed
Nevertheless, I am convinced, they are to feel some moment, they want to do more "Sherlock", and I believe, they think the same. "Sherlock's" fandom may be in shock, since this is the first real ending in the end of the season. But, in fact, this is an extremely open ending. Everything can happen, and I really hope to watch it - only not very soon.

SusiGo wrote:

- On an emotional note: I would really, really wish to have someone care for Sherlock. He has cared for and sacrificed himself for others in all those episodes, he has been tortured and shot and beaten and kicked and not once did anyone say sorry to him. Instead he had to keep apologising over and over again. I know that this hope may be futile, but without this the story feels still incomplete to me.

 I agree with everything, you say, but with this part especially! Whatever happens to Sherlock, everybody seems to be sure, he will be OK. Nothing is done to comfort him, or to apologize, and I would like to see it made up, at least for a change.

besleybean wrote:

Er, did you  misunderstand me?  I was saying it was fine for them to do other roles.

Why do you think, I desagreed? I simply think, the new challenges do not exclude the come back to "Sherlock" from time to time.

They know, it must take time. Who knows, what can happen? They did not want to take the chance, and maybe to leave the story without any ending, but IMO - just for a case. 

I was happy, to watch the show made like "Sherlock" BBC, and not anything like typical american series, where 20 episodes are made every year, but no one knows, what will happen 10 episodes later, because the script writers have still no idea too. And in the end the series is not properly ended, but rather breaks in the most stupid way :/

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SusiGo wrote:

- On an emotional note: I would really, really wish to have someone care for Sherlock. He has cared for and sacrificed himself for others in all those episodes, he has been tortured and shot and beaten and kicked and not once did anyone say sorry to him. Instead he had to keep apologising over and over again. I know that this hope may be futile, but without this the story feels still incomplete to me.

I agree.  On that note, I feel like I haven't seen John actually come to Sherlock's defense in the longest time.  I don't mean in terms of physically saving his life, but just in defending him when other people say or do hurtful things to him.  I would like to see a little more of that from John if there's a 5th series.  It's interesting (in a sad sort of way) that Sherlock's occasions of insensitivity are spotlighted by the other characters in the show, and yet they often seem oblivious to the derision and lack of empathy shown towards him on a fairly regular basis.

 

Obviously I am less forgiving person than Sherlock, since in TFP he considers John his best friend, again, and like always... when I still think, John really should at least to apologize (however I already have my theory to explain the lack of regrets too...).
I watched yesterday just the short fragment of TLD (to check something), and I became sad and angry wit John :[ Close to the end, in Baker Street, when Sherlock asks John, is he OK?... It is so obvious (acting!!), he wishes to be asked back! But John does not care. Irene's text (and everything to be deduced) is interesting, the hat is interesting, but what Sherlock needs - not at all! Really, John should make it up as soon, as possible.

He simply behaves, like nothing bad happened. If Sherlock is satisfied, OK. But he could also think, he must to accomodate, and to forgive without being asked, because he will get nothing more from John. 

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besleybean wrote:

Oh I think John has a whole lot more to give and I am sure he will.

Exactly. And I would love to see that ob TV, not only read about it in Fan fics.

So yes, I also think we need (and will get) S5!

Depends what things you mean.
Sherlock and John will always be central, in any shape or form.
Incidentally, I hate to rain on anybody's parade...but why should I change a habit of a lifetime?!
I think some of you are aware of my total inability to copy and paste onto this site...
But I recently read an excellent interview with Mark, about a possibly S 5 (or at least another episode), so that part was positive.
But he did speculate on how the show would actually open and his words were: 'with a knock on the door and Sherlock asking John: do you want to come and play?'
So clearly I am correct in my assumption.  John is not living in 221B at the end of TFP, he and Rosie were just visiting.
 

Last edited by besleybean (January 28, 2017 9:09 am)

Oh, I see what you mean...but I really don't think that's what Mark meant.