We have to disagree here. I am not convinced by the 221b scene or the fireplace scene either. Or maybe I just do not like them. But this is the first time the writers (so far) really fail to convince me. And I know I am not the only one. 

"Fix-it" is the reason I read Johnlock fics. 

Lola, I agree on that one. To be honest, it would for me be the worst possible outcome, if everything just ended in "sweet" nothings....

Edit: removed my thoughts, as they included impressions I had from spoilery setlock pictures.

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@Susi, true, those pics looked private, like having a little break or waiting for the next shot.
@Vhanja, that is not exactly what I mean. I rather meant the level of importance that is set up towards the end of the series. Half of HLV is Mary's story, she is set up as being pretty much part of the family and not in the background but fitting in so greatly because of her story arc. The Mofftiss calling her lead in the commentaries as far as I know. Martin in interviews mentioning she's pretty much there. I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong but that sounds all pretty "serious".
Edit: I think there's nothing spoilery here.

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Well, we won't know what importance she will play in the future serie(s), but I think Moftiss have always been quite clear that the show is first and foremost about Sherlock and John.

I don't mind editing, but not sure what to edit?

Zatoichi wrote:

Lola Red wrote:

Zatoichi wrote:

Your post just made me think.. do you think there might have been another choice for Sherlock to keep all three save as he vowed to do except almost forcing Mary back into their relationship?

Interesting question. It seemed to me he left the decision to continue the relationship mostly up to John. If Mary would have accepted a “I will help you as a client, but I will divorce you as my wife” or spiralled back to being a loose cannon depends on whether she is more motivated by “no one can know” or by “I cannot loose John”.
 

To continue this interesting discussion, I just found this interview with Amanda, which sounds a lot like Mary´s main motivation is the fear of losing John - "If she loses him, she loses everything.":
http://skulls-and-tea.tumblr.com/post/87558048071/interviewer-theres-such-an-interesting-duality

So I really can´t see how she would have quietly accepted an "I will help you as a client, but I will divorce you as my wife".. obviously she feels without John she´d have nothing (her child doesn´t seem to come into account here..) So yeah, to me it looks terribly like there was no other choice than to take her back for now in order to defuse the cannon.. which is probably one of the reasons I find myself not overly touched by their unconditional love and forgiveness.

(The interview also at the same time adds more evidence that Mary is basically laid out as "fallen girl who needs to be saved by the love of a good man".. ..  ..I have feelings about that, but here´s probably not the place.)

 

Thanks for the link!  It's interesting that Amanda says that Mary had a "pretty terrible life", because that's something we're not shown in the show.  I don't suppose being an assassin a laugh a minute, but it seems (from what we're told/shown) that she's somebody who enjoys adventure/danger, and who chose that "career".   That's not necessarily true, but I don't think we're directly shown anything that contradicts it.  I wonder where Amanda got that backstory from and whether it's going to be something we see in the future?   Because I think Mary's backstory could potentially go some way towards redeeming her (or damning her!). 



 

This still does not explain why he expressly mentions her family. 

Interesting idea. 

Yeah, she said that she would do anything to make sure John never knew. But it was already for late for that, so she had lost all her cards and it was now up to John.