sherlockskitty wrote:

oh fiddlesticks.  I  just read the transcript of TRF  for the umpteenth time.   Remember John's line,  "don't be dead, Sherlock, please?"  ??   OK.  That makes me think that John actually KNOWS  that Sherlock isn't dead.  He's just...acting the part of a grieving friend. Plus--the more I watch this episode,  the more I see it.  John walked away from the grave,  and his head sort of turned in the direction where S was standing. That's what I think.

Interesting. I've never heard anyone say they actually thought John was just acting a part at the graveside, that he knows Sherlock is alive and is just holding up his end of the partnership for appearances sake. This is actually quite an intriguing scenario to think about, isn't it. Hmmm. Only thing is, John is a doctor--- where in heck did he ever get to be such a good actor? In the scenes with the psychologist and the one with Mrs. H, well, maybe he could act that well to keep them in the dark about the truth.... but why, if he's acting like the grief-stricken friend and partner, would he continue that charade all by himself at the grave-site, talking to Sherlock, touching the stone, crying, marching away as though if he gave it one more thought he wouldn't be able to carry on anymore? In other words, I can understand the idea of him putting on a show for others, but why would he continue doing that when alone?

John doesn't know that Sherlock is alive. That's what I think. The turn of is head is "overinterpreted" here - or maybe just a way to change the scene. To lead the view of the audience to the right direction.
That's from a dark corner in my mind palace. I will watch TRF the third time next week, maybe it'll change my mind and I have to clean up my corners.

Last edited by Mattlocked (July 21, 2012 2:17 pm)

kazza474 wrote:

So the whole scene at the psychologist's was fake? I don't think so, do you?

No, and neither was that brief scene of John in the Baker St living room, barefoot, sitting in thought. He looked wrecked, empty-brained, at a loss of what to do now. The empty leather chair across from him spoke volumes. The place was....silent. All the life had gone out of it. All the energy.

Not. Faking. Does. Not. Know.   That's my take on it, for sure.

Mattlocked wrote:

.... a dark corner in my mind palace. I will watch TRF the third time next week, maybe it'll change my mind and I have to clean up my corners.

Your mind palace! lolololol  Yes, mind palaces can get disorganized and cob-webby, can't they.

I have now watched TRF all the way through 5 times and my fave parts at least 20. I think I have parts of it memorized. Some of the most fascinating TV I've ever seen.

No. I still believe that John knows Sherlock is dead but he cannot accept it. The comment about the miracle is him being still in a state of denial HOWEVER it does serve a clear dramatic purpose. From there, almost immediately afterwards the camera cuts to a shot of Sherlock, very much alive and well.

We see that as the audience; we are let into the secret. Unlike the original story where Sherlock Holmes dies at the Reichenbach Falls and is only subsequently resurrected due to the pressure exerted by the readership upon Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

Of course the little speech that John makes at the graveside resounds with dramatic irony. He is basically giving a eulogy for a man we, at the end, know is not dead. If John really believed Sherlock to be alive or capable of defying death through some kind of miracle he would not be as clearly devastated as he is.

This was post no. 20,000. Congrats, boss!

Yes, because Mattlocked is spectacularly ignorant in a nice way 

Sherlock Holmes wrote:

Oh God, this thread is making me all emotional for John. 

Mmmm. I loves me some John. He is the wind beneath Sherlock's ruffled wings, IMO. Ya can't have one without the other. 

And meanwhile, we all have to wait (and wait and wait and wait) to see what happens next. I haven't been this full of anticipation for like centuries, lol. Cliffhangers--- can't live with 'em or without 'em.

I wonder if they'll make it as a surprise for John like "Oops, btw. I'm not dead" or the way that John suspects/notices something weird before actually seeing Sherlock alive.

He definitely has to punch Sherlock!

I'm sure Mycroft knows and helped Sherlock, especially after all the things he told Moriarty, he obviously felt extremely guilty.

I really worry about how Mrs Hudson will react.

And I'm excited to see the faces of Donovan and Anderson!

Btw. what's it with these "3 years later", is it confirmed that it'll be 3 years later? I read that a lot online, but never found a source.

Last edited by Ivy (July 31, 2012 9:55 am)

Indeed, Ivy - the three year span comes form the original books. However, there is no knowing if the TV show adapts this time period. They might shorten it to accommodate modern audiences - 3 years in such fast-moving times as today have a quite different tenor nowadays than back then, I reckon..