besleybean wrote:

I did feel sorry for John at Reichenbach.
But I also understood Sherlock had to do what he did.
I fully understand what Sherlock does in HLV and why. I can admire him wanting to make John and Mary safe...and maybe Mycroft!
Yes, he does commit murder and sadly feels he has to make the scarifice of his punishment...

Good point about Mycroft.  I get so lost in the drama that I sometimes forget that the whole point (from Magnussen's angle) was to get to or destroy Mycroft. 

About TRF - I don't think Sherlock is oblivious to the effect on John.   He's not even shocked at John's reaction at the graveside.  He just doesn't see an alternative course of action, so goes ahead and fakes the suicide (for the best of reasons).  But I love that scene earlier where John ends up saying something like "nobody could fake being a complete dick all the time" - not a lot is said, but you see an awful lot of the relationship between them and what it means to each of them. 

besleybean wrote:

I did feel sorry for John at Reichenbach.
But I also understood Sherlock had to do what he did.

I also know why Sherlock had to do what he had to do -- John had to see it to really believe it. I get that. But having been John in that situation, NO, NO, NO.

Mary

besleybean wrote:

Though I think John was equally horrified over the outcome with Magnussen.

Horrified is not traumatized, destroyed, soul deadened, heart broken, crushed, etc. by powerlessly watching the person you love most in the world throw himself off a building.

Mary

besleybean wrote:

Well yes, as one of my favourite writers said(about something else!) it's not a competition!

But I think you are right and of course John has Mary's support, on this occasion.

Does he? I always thought deep inside she is just happy that Sherlock leaves for good.

Just found an interesting and sad meta on flowers used in a deleted scene:

http://archipelagoarchaea.tumblr.com/post/101531476553/struggling-carnations

It did strike me as unusual to have so many of them in a room where a gravely injured patient is recovering. Their heavy smell would be disturbing and suffocating to a person unable to move and to put them away. Now it seems that most of the flowers (with the exception of a sole rose from W) had a more ominous meaning here. They were just a further attempt from people to injure Sherlock, to project their hatred and bullying on him even from afar, to kick him some more althrough he had already fallen down.

I always viewed Lestrade´s attempt to video an injured and weak Sherlock as awful, but after this meta it seems downright abhorrent.

The hospital was run by Moriarty´s cousins, I suppose.

I knew it was all Janine´s doing!

I also wonder about John? Where is he while all of this is happening? Sleeping on a chair in a next room? Putting things on his blog?

Symbolism of loneliness and abuse is too strong here to be entirely coincidental.

I need comfort for Sherlock in S4!! Comfort, you hear me Godtiss??
*hears Moffat cackle in the distance*

And it's not just HLV, it's the whole of S3. Let's face it, he cames back after two years and is more lonely than ever before. John isn't there. And it's not just that he'a not in 221B, he's not with Sherlock in hospital when all these nasty things happen, either. I strongly believe that he was there with Sherlock right after he was shot and brought to the hospital, after all we see him being there telling Mary that Sherlock has pulled through. So I take this as a slight comfort. But I agree, we definitely need more comofrt for Sherlock in S4. Much more comfort. 
 

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