BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 / German air date

**Posted by Harriet** April 24, 2014 6:56 pm

gently69 wrote:
Oh, I am sooo glad that we live in the era of DVD and Bluray. I don't know if I would love this show like I do if I would only know the German version.

Well, for me ASiB worked nevertheless. It made me boink no matter some details

**Posted by Harriet** April 24, 2014 6:58 pm

zeratul wrote:
Well Mary is not recognizable BUT, when I saw it, I truely thought she would NOT shoot.
And now the Germans know, she does.

Right, at least when she pops up in that battle dress...

**Posted by SusiGo** April 24, 2014 6:59 pm

"Ich habe Sie erhört" really destroys the most beautiful scene in the episode.

**Posted by gently69** April 24, 2014 7:02 pm

Harriet wrote:
gently69 wrote:
Oh, I am sooo glad that we live in the era of DVD and Bluray. I don't know if I would love this show like I do if I would only know the German version.
Well, for me ASiB worked nevertheless. It made me boink no matter some details

But the "Johnlock" effect has no chance on German TV.

**Posted by Harriet** April 24, 2014 7:05 pm

Oh, a little distance may be rather sexy, don't you think?

(Just kidding!)

**Posted by Mattlocked** April 24, 2014 7:07 pm

SusiGo wrote:
"Ich habe Sie erhört" really destroys the most beautiful scene in the episode.

Even hubby noticed.

**Posted by zeratul** April 24, 2014 7:07 pm

SusiGo wrote:
"Ich habe Sie erhört" really destroys the most beautiful scene in the episode.

Indeed.
Doesn't sound like a mistake to me. It sounds like the translator WANTED to change the meaning.
Well Sherlock wanted to tell John, how he did it in the beginning. In this situation he seems weak and not dareing to tell John, so he just "redet um den heißen Brei" when he says this thing which Moftiss took from somewhere else "I'm know to be indestructable"... And about this I heard you... It shows it wasn't easy for him standing at there and not being able to talk to John... And that John touched his heart...

**Posted by tobeornot221b** April 24, 2014 7:39 pm

I'm still wondering what was so inappropriate about this clip that the ARD wouldn't show it as early as 8 p.m. due to protect minors under the age of twelve...
Of course, every kid would be in bed after 8 p.m. in their Easter holidays...got it!

**Posted by zeratul** April 24, 2014 7:53 pm

Yeah, maybe because the whole series is FSK 12...

**Posted by zeratul** April 24, 2014 9:09 pm

I got another idea what they could spoil... pregnant Mary...

haha and now I am imaginating John and Mary saying "Sie"

And didn't we talk about "I habe gedacht Sie seien tot!" and so on... I think this will be it.

When I watched that trailer even my hubby said that he didn't remember how bad the german voice was.

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**Posted by Ivy** April 24, 2014 9:12 pm

tobeornot221b wrote:
I'm still wondering what was so inappropriate about this clip that the ARD wouldn't show it as early as 8 p.m. due to protect minors under the age of twelve...
Of course, every kid would be in bed after 8 p.m. in their Easter holidays...got it!

That's typical ARD, they show something cool and that when people are already in bed or drunk because of "Herrentag/Vatertag" like we Atheist call it

**Posted by Ivy** April 24, 2014 9:19 pm

I wonder about that scene when John asks Sherlock about the "best man" and Sherlock rambles about Billy Kincaid. We don't say "bester Mann" in German, it's called Trauzeuge.

..or things like "killing me! that's so 2 years ago!" sounds easy but we haven't such an expression in German? Maybe he says something boring like "das ist so alt" oder "das ist so einfallslos"

**Posted by SusiGo** April 24, 2014 9:28 pm

"Mich umbringen? Das war vor zwei Jahren mal modern/in."

**Posted by Harriet** April 24, 2014 9:34 pm

Ich bitte dich! Das ist soo Achtziger...!

(Aber "Zweitausendzwölfer"??? Ach je!)

"Mich umbringen? Das war vor zwei Jahren mal aktuell."

**Posted by zeratul** April 24, 2014 9:46 pm

Hmm I think you could actually say "Mich umbringen, das ist so vor zwei Jahren / das ist so 2012"

But I also wondered about the best man thing... both about the words and about the Sie...
Btw... at How I Met Your Mother there is the joke ring bear - ring bearer... in German Ring Bär - Ring Träger....

Also f..cough won't work at all...

I still do not get, why they didn't switch to "Du" at "Mr. Holmes" - "Sherlock, please".
I do not think this was a mistake. I guess it was again translators feeling the force to change the sense of what Moftiss wrote... just because they have some distance in the book from the outside, they thought they had the right to change it. I hate it...

**Posted by SusiGo** April 24, 2014 9:46 pm

Would be nice without the blasted 2012.

The second one is good.

**Posted by zeratul** April 24, 2014 9:47 pm

Or...
"Mich umbringen, das hatten wir vor 2 Jahren schonmal" (would be too long)
"Mich umbringen, nicht schon wieder!" or sth like this maybe

I think they gonna screw it and let him say: "Mich umbringen, oh ich bitte Sie"

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**Posted by Harriet** April 24, 2014 9:48 pm

Now I wonder what they will actually make of it

**Posted by zeratul** April 24, 2014 9:51 pm

I wonder if they thought that much about it like we did.
I wonder if they even think about it at all.
And I wonder what do they "sich einbilden" that they think they may change the whole meaning...

**Posted by SusiGo** April 24, 2014 9:57 pm

I do not know much about translation theory but a thing that always helps me in my work is the concept of the "equivalence of effect". This means that a translator must create the same effect in his/her audience like the original text in its respective audience.
Referring to the "I heard you" dialogue IMO the words should evoke emotion and a feeling of forgiveness. The German translation will not have this effect and is therefore inadequate.

Sometimes you simply have to change the text in order to get the desired effect, especially in case of comic effects. But in the above case it was unnecessary to change anything.