BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 / Amazing Grace

**Posted by tonnaree** February 28, 2014 1:03 pm

It's on Netflix! Cool. *adds to que*

**Posted by Harriet** February 28, 2014 1:03 pm

Interesting observation, Tinks, about Gruffyd. Matches in some way the script writers' decisions, imho.

**Posted by Tinks** February 28, 2014 1:16 pm

Harriet wrote:
Interesting observation, Tinks, about Gruffyd. Matches in some way the script writers' decisions, imho.

Do you think it was a deliberate approach then?
Maybe I'm being unkind to Gruffyd in that case - I just felt that at times he was almost detached from the rest of the Movie, and as a viewer, i felt detached from him at times.

**Posted by Harriet** February 28, 2014 1:21 pm

No, I don't think so. But the script is a somewhat overdone sanctification of Wilber and it could be this influenced the actor.
Can you tell the most striking scenes?

**Posted by Tinks** February 28, 2014 1:34 pm

In all honesty, I don't think I could point to an individual scene; it really was an overall impression I got throughout the film, and a lot of it was in his bearing and expression so that's why I pointed at his performance rather than the script - maybe it was a bit of both.
The best way I can describe it is that he reminded me of a Dickensian Hero - wholly and completely good (I love Dickens but it's one of the features of his writing that good is good and bad is bad).
I suppose what I'm really saying is that I found his performance a bit one dimensional.

**Posted by Harriet** February 28, 2014 10:19 pm

Dickensian Hero - you have really interesting ideas. Wilberforce was probably much of a Victorian even still in Georgian times.
And the point of view that is being expressed in the movie goes also back to Victorian influences.

**Posted by besleybean** February 28, 2014 10:21 pm

We do know that the Georgian period was before the Victorian one?
And the term 'Victorian' would have been unimaginable at that time.

**Posted by Harriet** February 28, 2014 10:29 pm

Still Wilberforce and the Clapham Sect anticipated a lot of the Victorian spirit.

And the script is also rather based on a certain Victorian Wilberforce biography.

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**Posted by besleybean** February 28, 2014 10:36 pm

I apologize if I seem to be difficult.
I just have real probelms with terms like ' Vitiorian' spirit.'
For me it's just something like' Britsih values', it seems a nonsense.
I don't know what people mean when they use terms like that.
Why does anything have to belong to a particular culture/era/nature/
So what do you mean by ' Victorian spirit'?

**Posted by Harriet** March 1, 2014 9:41 am

Well, you might wish to read the article "The Georgians: A true age of sexual discovery" http://www.amanda-foreman.com/express.shtml# by Amanda Foreman

The Georgian era was ended by the rise of evangelical Christianity, the prolonged war with France and the growing power of the middle classes. By the 1830s, Britain was far more sober and serious. Lord Palmerston found himself the only politician still wearing rouge in Parliament.

or the book by Ben Wilson "Decency & Disorder - The Age of Cant 1789-1837"
for a start and you will find an answer.

**Posted by besleybean** March 1, 2014 10:52 am

Thank you.
Though presumably this is Georgian, not Victorian!

**Posted by Harriet** March 1, 2014 10:56 am

Like I said, read some material about Wilberforce and his group

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**Posted by besleybean** March 1, 2014 11:12 am

I went to his museum years ago, I must pay a return visit.

**Posted by Harriet** March 1, 2014 11:22 am

Instead of my 12:15 edit #92

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clapham_Sect
The Clapham sect have been credited with playing a significant part in the development of Victorian morality, through their writings, their societies, their influence in Parliament, and their example in philanthropy and moral campaigns, especially against slavery. In the words of Tomkins, "The ethos of Clapham became the spirit of the age".

**Posted by Harriet** March 28, 2014 8:49 pm

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, THOMAS CLARKSON!

(scnr)

**Posted by SusiGo** March 28, 2014 8:54 pm

Many happy returns, Thomas Clarkson.

**Posted by gently69** April 17, 2014 7:20 pm

For German fans who are interested and are able to receive Servus TV ... just spotted by accident that the film is shown at 11pm tonight. Dubbed version ... unfortunately ...

**Posted by clareiow** June 8, 2014 7:20 am

This was on telly last night on a channel I don't normally get - and I missed the first 45 minutes😡

But what I saw I thought it was a great film and, I know im probably biased, but benedict was by far the stronger actor and played Pitt wonderfully.

And what can we say about the running scene?? Swoon

Aside from anything else HOW FAST is he?? What an athlete he appears to be too! Is there anything he can't do?

**Posted by besleybean** June 8, 2014 7:39 am

I didn't watch it, as I have the DVD.
But yes, it is wonderful;.
You're not biased, cos my parents thought Benedict was totally brilliant in this!

**Posted by SusiGo** June 8, 2014 8:18 am

He has the better part IMO where he can show all shades of his character from youthful ambition to the deathbed scene. Wonderful.