BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 / Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

**Posted by gently69** January 26, 2014 1:05 pm

Do you mean this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6yGusnNlqoQ

**Posted by Davina** January 26, 2014 2:06 pm

The thing is this film is based closely upon the novel by John Le Carre. His novels are far more authentic in their approach towards espionage etc. then many other 'spy' novels. They are always very character driven. They are meticulous and slow in their build up. The George Smiley novels are exclellent but they do require investment from the reader. Try: The Spy Who Came in From the Cold as another example or The Constant Gardener.

**Posted by besleybean** January 26, 2014 2:15 pm

I have no doubt he's a fine writer, tho I would have actually boycotted him for politcal reasons.
However, I think in later years he did somewhat recant!

**Posted by zeratul** February 25, 2014 9:42 pm

I just watched it and I have to admit I didn't understand it *hides*.
At some point I just stopped paying attention... My husband seemed to like it though.
Now reading the Wikipedia article on it and still don't get it...
a does b, but c does he does d... I consider myself as not too stupid, but it is bit... weird... maybe not my genre...

**Posted by besleybean** February 25, 2014 9:46 pm

Oh I didn't understand a word of it...but I liked it!

**Posted by zeratul** February 25, 2014 9:48 pm

besleybean wrote:
Oh I didn't understand a word of it...but I liked it!

Glad I'm not alone...
Well it is too many names, too many persons... to much chaos...
As I am reading the summary on wikipedia I am condisering of draw the stuff on paper to get the connections lol ;).
I'm a software developer, I'm not stupid and I can deal with logic and studied mathematics, but this is just... confusing...

**Posted by Tinks** February 25, 2014 9:57 pm

I watched it twice before I completely understood everything - it's certainly one you need to pay close attention to.
Apparantly there are a few differences from the book, too.
But I love it and could never tire of it - the mood, the depth of the story, the cast and the acting are all brilliant, imo.

**Posted by besleybean** February 25, 2014 9:58 pm

Your last sentence...
Just that.

**Posted by zeratul** February 25, 2014 9:59 pm

Yeah, I will give it a try later again. I was also constantly a bit distracted in between.

**Posted by SolarSystem** February 26, 2014 5:31 am

Do watch it again, zeratul, it really isn't an easy movie, lots of names, lots of secrets and lots of dialogue that quite often leaves certain things unsaid. When I left the cinema after seeing it for the first time, I was like "What the hell just happened...?".
But Tinks already said it: It's a wonderful movie because of the mood, the atmosphere, the colours (or the absence of colours, for that matter), just everything.

**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** February 26, 2014 8:21 am

I have watched it twice now. I have to admit I still don't really understand the plot...

But I did like the effects of it; it had such a cool atmosphere really! But aw, the scene when he cries... I just wanted to hug him! That was so unfair!

**Posted by besleybean** February 26, 2014 8:59 am

Made me cry.

**Posted by SolarSystem** February 26, 2014 9:16 am

This Is The Phantom Lady wrote:
I have watched it twice now. I have to admit I still don't really understand the plot...

You've got questions?
No, seriously, the plot is complicated and there are sometimes things happening that still make me go "okay, why again did he do this/why again was he even there?". The whole story around Ricki Tarr for example... I still tend to forget to which country Guillam sent him and why exactly. And you really have to know the names, otherwise you lose track when someone is talking about someone.

**Posted by zeratul** February 26, 2014 9:35 am

SolarSystem wrote:
And you really have to know the names, otherwise you lose track when someone is talking about someone.

Yeah that's my problem... I am really bad with names...
When I am at a birthday party or sth. like that and strangers introduce themselves to me, I forget the name directly after they mention it.

**Posted by SolarSystem** March 14, 2014 10:00 am

I just came across this and it at least partly sums up why I love that movie so much...

http://vitalyorlovs.tumblr.com/post/21039144172

**Posted by Tinks** March 14, 2014 11:21 am

That scene broke my heart when I first saw it.
Gosh, I'd so love to see Gary Oldman and Benedict in something else together;)

**Posted by SolarSystem** March 14, 2014 11:39 am

I'd so love to see them together as Smiley and Guillam again, there is at least one more novel they could make into a movie.

**Posted by SusiGo** March 14, 2014 11:43 am

They are wonderful together.

**Posted by Tinks** March 14, 2014 11:44 am

That would be fantastic

**Posted by SolarSystem** March 14, 2014 1:27 pm

Actually, right after Sherlock and John they are my OTP. Uhum...

But I guess we'll never get another Le Carré-movie, TTSS just wasn't successful enough at the box office, I suppose. At least in Germany.