BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 / sherlock series 4 (spoilers inside)

**Posted by ewige** January 4, 2017 9:39 am

Liberty wrote:
I presume they're thinking of Jimmy Saville. At least that's who sprung to mind for me! It's giving me the creeps before I've even seen the episode!

Shit. Same here. Seems Mofiss finally found a way to make Moriarty look perfectly normal in comparison *shudder*

**Posted by Liberty** January 4, 2017 10:04 am

I also had an awful thought about the nurses in the trailer, and the

children's hospital

from setlock - that Jimmy Saville had such a lot to do with hospitals in such a sinister way. I'm not sure they'd go as far as Saville's extreme depravity, but who knows?

**Posted by Lis** January 4, 2017 9:21 pm

It definitely sounds like a reference to Jimmy Saville and they did say Culverton was the scariest villain yet so who knows indeed.

Bit of a synopsis for TLD. Says Sherlock's back on the drugs.

https://twitter.com/Ruther2/status/816727343779762177

Last edited by Lis (January 4, 2017 9:23 pm)

**Posted by besleybean** January 4, 2017 9:23 pm

Naughty boy.

**Posted by ewige** January 4, 2017 9:24 pm

Lis wrote:
It definitely sounds like a reference to Jimmy Saville and they did say Culverton was the scariest villain yet so who knows indeed.

Bit of a synopsis for TLD. Says Sherlock's back on the drugs.

https://twitter.com/Ruther2/status/816727343779762177

I'm looking forward to these payoffs a lot!
And it doesn't mean he's using again. Maybe he's been poisoned.

**Posted by Lis** January 4, 2017 9:25 pm

ewige wrote:
Lis wrote:
It definitely sounds like a reference to Jimmy Saville and they did say Culverton was the scariest villain yet so who knows indeed.

Bit of a synopsis for TLD. Says Sherlock's back on the drugs.

https://twitter.com/Ruther2/status/816727343779762177
I'm looking forward to these payoffs a lot!
And it doesn't mean he's using again. Maybe he's been poisoned.

Could be, I hope it is simply because if it's self inflicted I don't think he's going to get much sympathy from John.

**Posted by besleybean** January 4, 2017 9:27 pm

He's possibly been driven to it through grief and John abandoning him.

**Posted by ewige** January 4, 2017 9:32 pm

Or he's not under influence at all just like in the original story.
At least in the beginning, when he hopes to outwit Smith.
Later on Sherlock looks more scared than in HOB, so...

**Posted by besleybean** January 4, 2017 9:35 pm

Or manic, at least.

**Posted by Lola Red** January 4, 2017 10:55 pm

the preview makes is sound as if the drug thing was voluntary, but we know in canon Sherlock fakes his disposition, so I'd say both is very much possible. Sounds interesting anyway

**Posted by Liberty** January 5, 2017 9:53 am

Good points, all. It could go either way! I can see Sherlock taking drugs in grief, but actually in that scene with Mrs Hudson, he doesn't seem to be going down that route. He's looking for a case, half-heartedly, and Mary gives him one. I think the importance of saving John would tend to keep him off the drugs. So you could be right that the illness Sherlock would fake would be drug addiction.

We've also seen him drugged involuntarily in the past.

**Posted by Lola Red** January 5, 2017 10:07 am

http://screencrush.com/sherlock-season-4-lying-detective-photos/

Oh my god, seems as if Smith is going after Mycroft...

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**Posted by Liberty** January 5, 2017 10:11 am

Very interesting, and not what I'd expected.

**Posted by Pops** January 5, 2017 10:45 am

Lola Red wrote:
http://screencrush.com/sherlock-season-4-lying-detective-photos/

Oh my god, seems as if Smith is going after Mycroft...

Oh God, no ! Please, not Mycroft !!

**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** January 5, 2017 10:54 am

*shivers*

**Posted by Lola Red** January 5, 2017 11:32 am

Pops wrote:
Lola Red wrote:
http://screencrush.com/sherlock-season-4-lying-detective-photos/

Oh my god, seems as if Smith is going after Mycroft...

Oh God, no ! Please, not Mycroft !!

We were talking about that self help group, I think it is time...

**Posted by This Is The Phantom Lady** January 5, 2017 11:54 am

*hands in an application to join*

**Posted by Vhanja** January 5, 2017 11:56 am

*hands in an application as well*

Oh, and got a new round of shock blankets for everyone.

**Posted by Pops** January 5, 2017 12:29 pm

*and another application*
If they kill Mycroft, I seriously think I will fall in a bout of depression... I'm known for being far too much attached to fictionnal characters...

Last edited by Pops (January 5, 2017 1:09 pm)

**Posted by ewige** January 5, 2017 12:29 pm

I think it's fabulous that Mycroft is targeted! Firstly, we'll probably get to know more about him. Secondly, I'd love to see Sherlock rushing to the rescue for a change. So far we've only seen Mycroft caring about his brother time and again even tho both love each other dearly.