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**Posted by SolarSystem** April 30, 2014 9:37 am

And furthermore, Sherlock hears a lot of people talk about him and John like that, and he never feels the need to set things straight (haha, excuse the accidental pun here!). Of course there could be various reasons for that, one of them being that he just couldn't care less about what people think/say about him (and John). But of course there also are other possible explanations...

**Posted by SusiGo** April 30, 2014 9:49 am

The thing is, and it applies to all things observed in this thread: taken alone each and every one can be explained in a way that has nothing to do with Johnlock. But it is the sheer number of hints - verbal, non-verbal visual, musical - that makes me think that there is more to our theory.

**Posted by SolarSystem** April 30, 2014 10:01 am

Very true.
The question really is, why go to all that 'trouble' and include all these tiny hints if they mean nothing in the end? Maybe to keep the fandom discussing it over and over and over again, right. Then again, maybe not only that.

Last edited by SolarSystem (April 30, 2014 10:02 am)

**Posted by gently69** April 30, 2014 10:02 am

You are right, Susi. Explanations with no Johnlock background are possible as well. Sometimes I still see it this way. I am not totally converted yet.
But I am open ...

Last edited by gently69 (April 30, 2014 10:03 am)

**Posted by SusiGo** April 30, 2014 10:10 am

That is good. Very good.

**Posted by SolarSystem** April 30, 2014 10:13 am

That is also quite convincing, don't you think?

http://dudeufugly.tumblr.com/post/84302228539/piningjohn-s1-my-colleague-john-watson-s2

http://welovethebeekeeper.tumblr.com/post/84227231538/anigrrrl2-they-always-call-for-each-other

Last edited by SolarSystem (April 30, 2014 10:17 am)

**Posted by SusiGo** April 30, 2014 10:18 am

Yes.

Or how about this one?

http://johnlock-and-drop-it.tumblr.com/post/81139809654/cause-i-wanna-be-your-undercover-lover

Last edited by SusiGo (April 30, 2014 10:20 am)

**Posted by SolarSystem** April 30, 2014 10:25 am

I think it's all about observing and not just seeing...

**Posted by SusiGo** April 30, 2014 10:26 am

Exactly. And there are the photos on the inside of the DVD cover. John sitting alone in the café with Sherlock standing outside ...

**Posted by gently69** April 30, 2014 10:27 am

Ha ha, you are trying hard, girls .... to convince me???

**Posted by mrshouse** April 30, 2014 10:29 am

Every new day with a new johnlocker is a good day, gently
Susi, the pic in the cafe is my current desktop. Heartbreaking.

**Posted by SusiGo** April 30, 2014 10:37 am

gently69 wrote:
Ha ha, you are trying hard, girls .... to convince me???

This thread is actually not ONLY about convincing the skeptics. It is also (and mainly) for scientific exchange and fun and a bit of fangirling. The serious thread is the Official Debate.

You are welcome to join in anytime.

Last edited by SusiGo (April 30, 2014 10:39 am)

**Posted by SolarSystem** April 30, 2014 10:38 am

Susi, I was just about to write the same thing. We are gathering evidence here!

**Posted by SusiGo** April 30, 2014 10:39 am

Yep. Lots of evidence.

**Posted by SolarSystem** April 30, 2014 10:40 am

So here is more evidence...

http://dudeufugly.tumblr.com/post/84099130765/thenaebyrd777-why-have-i-not-seen-any

**Posted by mrshouse** April 30, 2014 10:42 am

Hm, i like all your strictly scientific reasoning...
Tumblr seems to be a rich source doing some research.

**Posted by SolarSystem** April 30, 2014 10:45 am

There are some veeeeery clever people on tumblr who really know how to do some decent research.

**Posted by ancientsgate** April 30, 2014 10:47 am

SusiGo wrote:
The thing is, and it applies to all things observed in this thread: taken alone each and every one can be explained in a way that has nothing to do with Johnlock. But it is the sheer number of hints - verbal, non-verbal visual, musical - that makes me think that there is more to our theory.

My theory is that, for those who love Johnlock and who can clearly see it, they will always see it, and no one can take that away from them. For those who hate the very idea and who refuse to even consider it (much in the way one would hate to see their fine linen soiled or something), then they will never see it, and they can happily watch, with their minds unsullied.

Which is kinda fun, if you ask me. The show is written and acted in such a way that the viewers can make up their own minds, have their own favorite kind of fun, draw their own conclusions, and do what they want with the whole thing.

IMO,. the writers and actors are having us on, all of them. It wouldn't be possible to write a show in the way they have without an attiude of smirky "whoa, this'll get 'em talking!" and yes, I include BC's facial expressions and the way his Sherlock eyes John up when John isn't looking, and sometimes when he IS looking. I'm convinced that the whole bunch of them are intrigued with the idea of Johnlock, just as we are, whether or not the writers and actors ever decide to actually get shippy on the actual show. Which they won't, because they also want to keep the noromos viewers happy, which I can understand.

**Posted by ancientsgate** April 30, 2014 10:49 am

SolarSystem wrote:
Very true. The question really is, why go to all that 'trouble' and include all these tiny hints if they mean nothing in the end? Maybe to keep the fandom discussing it over and over and over again, right. Then again, maybe not only that.

Because Moftiss et al are having a helluva wonderful time, that's why. They're having f-u-n, and they're hoping that we are also doing the same. They don't "keep the fandom" doing anything; I think the fandom is fuelilng its own discussion/debate fires very well on its own!

**Posted by SusiGo** April 30, 2014 10:50 am

But is it not really sad that so many people would seemingly be put off by a gay relationship?