BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 / There's something about Mary

**Posted by kittykat** January 4, 2014 2:03 pm

Yep, here:

**Posted by Mary Me** January 4, 2014 2:03 pm

Wholocked wrote:
Mrs. Watson wrote:
I wonder what secret CAM knows about Mary and how did she hide it so well because, honestly, if Mycroft knows where John is having dinner that might I'm sure he has investigated his girlfriend. And if Mycroft didn't find out, then it's something very well hidden.
If you look at the words that appear when Sherlock 'scans' Mary outside the deli, "Liar" and "Secret" are there. If Sherlock saw that on a cursory scan, Mycroft certainly knows. That is, assuming Mycroft bothered to look. John is of no interest to Mycroft aside from his friendship with Sherlock.

But that "secret" belonged to "secret tattoo" if I'm not entirely wrong. I'm still worrying about "Liar"

**Posted by besleybean** **Online!** January 4, 2014 2:07 pm

She does have a secret, I'm sure...

**Posted by Wholocked** January 4, 2014 2:40 pm

Mary Me wrote:
But that "secret" belonged to "secret tattoo" if I'm not entirely wrong. I'm still worrying about "Liar"

I thought that as well at first, but they are definitely two separate deductions. The word Secret shows up again sans tattoo in a subsequent frame

**Posted by Sherlock Holmes** January 4, 2014 5:34 pm

Wholocked wrote:
Mrs. Watson wrote:
I wonder what secret CAM knows about Mary and how did she hide it so well because, honestly, if Mycroft knows where John is having dinner that might I'm sure he has investigated his girlfriend. And if Mycroft didn't find out, then it's something very well hidden.
If you look at the words that appear when Sherlock 'scans' Mary outside the deli, "Liar" and "Secret" are there. If Sherlock saw that on a cursory scan, Mycroft certainly knows. That is, assuming Mycroft bothered to look. John is of no interest to Mycroft aside from his friendship with Sherlock.

I think her secret will be that she's already married. That would be a direct canon nod too. Can't remember what story it is now but there's one like that...Noble Bachelor?

**Posted by besleybean** **Online!** January 4, 2014 5:36 pm

Oh my word...but then, maybe not a love marriage.

**Posted by SolarSystem** January 4, 2014 6:20 pm

Sherlock Holmes wrote:
Wholocked wrote:
Mrs. Watson wrote:
I wonder what secret CAM knows about Mary and how did she hide it so well because, honestly, if Mycroft knows where John is having dinner that might I'm sure he has investigated his girlfriend. And if Mycroft didn't find out, then it's something very well hidden.
If you look at the words that appear when Sherlock 'scans' Mary outside the deli, "Liar" and "Secret" are there. If Sherlock saw that on a cursory scan, Mycroft certainly knows. That is, assuming Mycroft bothered to look. John is of no interest to Mycroft aside from his friendship with Sherlock.
I think her secret will be that she's already married. That would be a direct canon nod too. Can't remember what story it is now but there's one like that...Noble Bachelor?

But if she were already married, wouldn't she react a bit more nervous in the restaurant scene as well as in the shaving scene? In the restaurant it has to be so obvious to her that John is about to propose to her... and she's all smiling and even encourages him to spit it out. And in the shaving scene when she's sitting on the bed and John says "Or I'll marry you", she just grins, right?
I don't know, but in my opinion she'd have to be a pretty good liar. And also a bit ruthless, because she really should know that John will most certainly not be amused...?
Then again, she didn't even dare to tell him that she doesn't like The Moustache, so telling him that she's already married... wow.

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**Posted by besleybean** **Online!** January 4, 2014 7:50 pm

Just another thought:
You know Mary explains to John that Sherlock would need a confidante?
When she leaves John at the surgery, does she say to John: 'I'll be late for Cath'?
Is this Cath Mary's confidante, about Mary's secret past?

**Posted by tobeornot221b** January 4, 2014 7:54 pm

besleybean wrote:
When she leaves John at the surgery, does she say to John: 'I'll be late for Cath'?
Is this Cath Mary's confidante, about Mary's secret past?

I was thinking "Cath" might be Mary's best friend. If so, we will for sure see her in tomorrow's episode...

**Posted by besleybean** **Online!** January 4, 2014 7:59 pm

Well yes, I was assuming she's Mary's best friend, but wondered if she was in on Mary's secret...

**Posted by tobeornot221b** January 4, 2014 8:02 pm

besleybean wrote:
Well yes, I was assuming she's Mary's best friend, but wondered if she was in on Mary's secret...

Best friends use to know many of our secrets, don't they?

**Posted by besleybean** **Online!** January 4, 2014 8:13 pm

Yep,.

**Posted by tonnaree** January 4, 2014 8:48 pm

I once sent my best friend a card that said "We'll always be friends, you know too much."

Just saying.

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**Posted by besleybean** **Online!** January 4, 2014 8:50 pm

My old college friend always tells everybody the story that the best note she ever received from me ended with:
P.S: oh and just to let you know I'm getting married next week.

**Posted by Sherlock Holmes** January 4, 2014 8:55 pm

SolarSystem wrote:
Sherlock Holmes wrote:
Wholocked wrote:

If you look at the words that appear when Sherlock 'scans' Mary outside the deli, "Liar" and "Secret" are there. If Sherlock saw that on a cursory scan, Mycroft certainly knows. That is, assuming Mycroft bothered to look. John is of no interest to Mycroft aside from his friendship with Sherlock.
I think her secret will be that she's already married. That would be a direct canon nod too. Can't remember what story it is now but there's one like that...Noble Bachelor?
But if she were already married, wouldn't she react a bit more nervous in the restaurant scene as well as in the shaving scene? In the restaurant it has to be so obvious to her that John is about to propose to her... and she's all smiling and even encourages him to spit it out. And in the shaving scene when she's sitting on the bed and John says "Or I'll marry you", she just grins, right?
I don't know, but in my opinion she'd have to be a pretty good liar. And also a bit ruthless, because she really should know that John will most certainly not be amused...?
Then again, she didn't even dare to tell him that she doesn't like The Moustache, so telling him that she's already married... wow.

In the original canon story the person's husband had died, or was believed to be dead, so she assumed she was free to marry again. Then it turned out later that he was still alive.

**Posted by besleybean** **Online!** January 4, 2014 8:56 pm

Hmm...

**Posted by besleybean** **Online!** January 4, 2014 9:01 pm

She may have other secrets!

**Posted by Wholocked** January 4, 2014 11:00 pm

Sherlock Holmes wrote:
I think her secret will be that she's already married. That would be a direct canon nod too. Can't remember what story it is now but there's one like that...Noble Bachelor?

Isn't that the Dancing Men one?

**Posted by NoSheetSherlock** January 6, 2014 9:13 pm

oooo, all I can say after watching these past 2 episodes, watch out about that Mary!!!
Things are not as they seem. This can be getting real good.

**Posted by Ozma** January 6, 2014 11:05 pm

What if....what if Sherlock's big mistake is deducing that she is pretnant?? What if Mary made him believe she is (didn't she tell him quite a few things, like about the wine and that she was sick??)

And this is why John goes, 'How did I not know this? I'm a doctor!'

I just had this thought...suddenly what John said takes another meaning....