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Re: Amazing Grace
Amazing film!
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- Harriet
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Re: Amazing Grace
Slightly too evangelical if one doesn't consider the contexts, if you ask me...
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Re: Amazing Grace
Well people can do the right thing, whatever their motivation,
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Re: Amazing Grace
Folks: Read Adam Hochschild, read about Quaker history, read the historical sources, and last not least enjoy Amazing Grace 
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Re: Amazing Grace
Or enjoy the film and have someone who does the background reading and tells you everything you need to know. 
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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes
"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)
“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)
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Re: Amazing Grace
I mentioned a 10 minutes audio primer here in this thread a while ago 
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Re: Amazing Grace
"English Abolition: The Movie"
Long and detailed critic of the movie, written by Adam Hochschild.
First Published In The New York Review Of Books Volume 52, Number 10, June 14, 2007.
Reproduced at the webiste of Bristol Radical History Group, by kind permission of the author.
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Re: Amazing Grace
Contemporary image of Billy:
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Re: Amazing Grace
Oh dear, look at the Prime Minister...! 
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Re: Amazing Grace
Pitt taking his medication - just what his doctors ordered...
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Re: Amazing Grace
Alas, yes. Exactly 3 bottles - a day 
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Re: Amazing Grace
This makes me a bit sad.
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Re: Amazing Grace
Me too.
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Re: Amazing Grace
Upon someone else's request: A Gillray caricature of Billy making his former private university tutor Pretyman become a Bishop - certainly a big favour.
For more of Gillray see
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Re: Amazing Grace
I'm so glad to see he was not only known for his drinking. 
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Re: Amazing Grace
I just watched this. And I still have a tear in my eye at his last scene... That was almost too well acted!
I like his character a lot in this; he is such a gentleman in every sense of that word and he knows how to hold himself. He also played the healthwise downfall so good; getting worse every time we saw him.
I have so much respect for him as an actor. Such a talented man he is! And I had to, despite it all giggle at some very 'Sherlock-ish' moments. The IOU of course, and him refusing to do anything before he got to make his shot.
Other than just Benedict this was a fantastic movie! I am really glad I finally got around to watch this; now that I learned Benedict is in it!
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Re: Amazing Grace
I'd love to see this!
Did you watch it on DVD? I keep hoping it'll be shown on TV!
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Re: Amazing Grace
I borrowed the DVD from the library. The library is my best friend right now!
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Re: Amazing Grace
Maybe I should join one!
I keep searching TV listings hoping one of his older films will be on, but not much luck so far.
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Re: Amazing Grace
I found this on netflix and have watched it now.
I did think Benedict played his part really well, as is so often the case, I forgot it was him and was drawn to the character he played.
There were a lot of other actors in the film, in fairly small roles, who I always enjoy watching, too.
It's one of those films that, given it's subject matter, it seems unkind to criticise it in any way but, if I'm really honest I didn't enjoy Ioan Gruffyd's performance.
I can't quite explain why it didn't sit right with me, but of all the cast, he was the one that I was aware was acting all the time - I felt he perhaps tried to convey too much saintliness about the character and in the process lost his human touch.
"And in the end,
The Love you take
Is equal to the Love you make"
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