BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 » Finally: The Sherlock/John picture thread

tobeornot221b · August 16, 2013 1:13 pm

Someimes it has to be difficult enough for Martin not to laugh...

kittykat · August 16, 2013 1:24 pm

It's a testament to how good an actor he is...to not smile at that sight!

SolarSystem · August 16, 2013 1:47 pm

tobeornot221b wrote:
Someimes it has to be difficult enough for Martin not to laugh...

One word to this: Bluebell.

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kittykat · August 16, 2013 2:40 pm

QuiteExtraordinary · August 16, 2013 6:24 pm

SolarSystem wrote:
tobeornot221b wrote:
Someimes it has to be difficult enough for Martin not to laugh...
One word to this: Bluebell.

Aww. His expressions are just adorable.

ancientsgate · August 16, 2013 8:24 pm

SolarSystem wrote:
It's so great that all those different situations work so fantastic with these guys... laughing, domesticity, solving crimes, John being slightly annoyed with Sherlock, Sherlock being slightly annoyed with John, Sherlock being proud of John, John being proud of Sherlock... I just can't get enough of any of that!

I presume, then, that you read fan fic. Because the shows really are not *about* that-- their friendship and domestic situation is included, yes, but the show is about crime-solving. But fan fic is often centered around their friendship or romance, depending on which kind of fic you read. Fan fic will give you your fill!

besleybean · August 16, 2013 8:26 pm

I think Mark and Steven have made it clear that the friendship is central to BBC Sherlock.
This is what I love most.

SolarSystem · August 16, 2013 8:40 pm

ancientsgate wrote:
SolarSystem wrote:
It's so great that all those different situations work so fantastic with these guys... laughing, domesticity, solving crimes, John being slightly annoyed with Sherlock, Sherlock being slightly annoyed with John, Sherlock being proud of John, John being proud of Sherlock... I just can't get enough of any of that!
I presume, then, that you read fan fic. Because the shows really are not *about* that-- their friendship and domestic situation is included, yes, but the show is about crime-solving. But fan fic is often centered around their friendship or romance, depending on which kind of fic you read. Fan fic will give you your fill!

Yes, I do read fan fic, but I also see all of those things in the show, even if the show is not really *about* these things and they are just included in small portions. I saw those things in the show even before I started reading fan fic. And even if it wasn't Mofftiss' intention, they somehow succeeded in showing me all those things. I see in the show that John sometimes is annoyed with Sherlock and vice versa, I also see them laughing together, I see a horrified Sherlock when John's life is threatened.

So yes, the show is about Sherlock and John solving crimes together. But there's so much more. And I dare say: if there weren't more to it, then it probably wouldn't be the success it is.

kittykat · August 16, 2013 8:43 pm

For the show in itself, I ship the bromance. But I am very partial to some fanfic

besleybean · August 16, 2013 8:43 pm

And to be honest, I may not watch it!
The friendship is canoncial, after all.

SolarSystem · August 16, 2013 8:55 pm

Well, if it were just about solving crimes, then to me it would very likely just be another crime show. Yes, it would be based on ACD's Sherlock Holmes, but that alone wouldn't be a reason for me to watch it. (I'm not really a fan of crime shows, they are basically all the same to me.)
What makes it special and interesting for me is how the friendship between Sherlock and John is depicted. Yes, I'm a Johnlocker, but I don't want them to kiss or end up in bed together on the show. It's absolutely fine for me to read that in fan fics. But nevertheless I see so much more in the show than pure crime solving.

besleybean · August 16, 2013 8:57 pm

Quite so.

ancientsgate · August 16, 2013 9:27 pm

SolarSystem wrote:
Well, if it were just about solving crimes, then to me it would very likely just be another crime show. Yes, it would be based on ACD's Sherlock Holmes, but that alone wouldn't be a reason for me to watch it. (I'm not really a fan of crime shows, they are basically all the same to me.)
What makes it special and interesting for me is how the friendship between Sherlock and John is depicted. Yes, I'm a Johnlocker, but I don't want them to kiss or end up in bed together on the show. It's absolutely fine for me to read that in fan fics. But nevertheless I see so much more in the show than pure crime solving.

Obviously. Not being blind, deaf and totally stupid, I certainly don't think it's purely a crime show.

The S/J relationship is something ACD came up with, and the man was a genius; the Sherlock showrunners were smart enough to continue with what ACD set into motion over 100 years ago. But the real geniuses of the BBC show were the casting people who found those two actors, and the actors themselves, who are so skilled, they make us believe that their characters are real. Genius of all kinds, all around.

My point, lost in this barrage of comment, was that if someone totally gets off on the S/J relationship, whether they're into friendship or slash, they can get more, all they could ever want, in fan fic, something the show will never be able to supply to anyone in enough quantity.

kittykat · August 17, 2013 1:39 pm

SilverMoonDragonB · August 17, 2013 1:52 pm

kittykat wrote:

Hehe! This part makes me laugh every time, silly Sherlock pick pocketing Lestrade when he's annoying...hehe

besleybean · August 17, 2013 3:36 pm

Nice shot.

holmes23 · August 17, 2013 6:14 pm

SilverMoonDragonB wrote:
kittykat wrote:
Hehe! This part makes me laugh every time, silly Sherlock pick pocketing Lestrade when he's annoying...hehe

Sherlock The Stealer , the purse. ashtray, Mycroft's ID.....

kittykat · August 17, 2013 6:18 pm

Man's gotta do what a man's gotta do

SolarSystem · August 17, 2013 8:32 pm

holmes23 wrote:
Sherlock The Stealer , the purse. ashtray, Mycroft's ID.....

Oh right, I'm sensing a pattern here...

ancientsgate · August 17, 2013 8:34 pm

holmes23 wrote:
Sherlock The Stealer , the purse. ashtray, Mycroft's ID.....

Sherlock is intriguing for many reasons, but one of them is that he considers himself above the law. All cops, lawyers, and other powers that be are simply "idiots", to be outsmarted and manipulated for his own purposes. He even manipulates Molly in that way, using the lab equipment and other facilities at the hospital as though he'd paid for them himself.

In that way, he's no different from Moriarty. But Moriarty KNOWS that he [Moriarty] is evil-- in contrast, he considers Sherlock to be "on the side of the angels", although Sherlock himself said he does not consider himself to be "one of them." So, anyway.... Sherlock the pickpocket or thief or playing fast and loose with breaking and entering is not surprising-- simply a means to an end.

One of the most interesting things about all the incarnations of Sherlock is to watch his fancy footwork (both physical and mental) as he makes his unique way from A to Z, solving the current problem (his case, whatever it is) at hand, outmaneuvering everyone else. And if he has to break some idiotic law that applies to everyone else except him, so be it!