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Davina · February 21, 2013 6:15 pm

Simple answer- no they don't.

ancientsgate · February 21, 2013 9:02 pm

MNRebecca wrote:
erunyauve wrote:
No, I'm referring to the current work Arwel Wyn Jones and crew are doing on the set in preparation for Series 3...
Hey, what's up with that? [Please redirect me if this is being discussed in another thread.] Why do they have to rebuild 221B? Didn't they keep the set from series 2?

No, something that huge would not be kept on its sound stage for two years, waiting for the next round of filming. The sound stage is hot property and used for many different films and TV. I'm sure that after season 2 was finished, they broke everything down into its pieces and stuck it in a storage unit somewhere (all the furniture too), and now it's being reassembled on a sound stage again.

MNRebecca · February 22, 2013 2:55 pm

ancientsgate wrote:
I'm sure that after season 2 was finished, they broke everything down into its pieces and stuck it in a storage unit somewhere (all the furniture too), and now it's being reassembled on a sound stage again.

THAT's the part I was wondering about! I thought they were starting from scratch, as if they'd recycled the materials for another production due to lack of storage space or something.

ancientsgate · February 22, 2013 3:36 pm

MNRebecca wrote:
ancientsgate wrote:
I'm sure that after season 2 was finished, they broke everything down into its pieces and stuck it in a storage unit somewhere (all the furniture too), and now it's being reassembled on a sound stage again.
THAT's the part I was wondering about! I thought they were starting from scratch, as if they'd recycled the materials for another production due to lack of storage space or something.

They could be starting from scratch, but I doubt it. Especially the furniture and some of the props, all of that would be hard to duplicate again, seems to me-- like that weird cow skull light on the wall in the LR of 221, and the wallpaper smiley face bullet holes, and the skull, and their chairs and couch, etc.

AliceI · February 22, 2013 4:44 pm

If they pick up season three two or three years after Sherlock fakes his own death they could really do anything they want with the set right?

Isn't that what happened in the books? The 2-3 year gap I mean.

besleybean · February 22, 2013 5:20 pm

But from the Twitter pix, they are rebuilding it exactly as it was.

MNRebecca · February 22, 2013 5:40 pm

AliceI wrote:
Isn't that what happened in the books? The 2-3 year gap I mean.

1891 - 1894? Yeah, that's right, I'm getting my canon on! Think I have my bookgroup convinced to start reading some Doyle this summer.

ancientsgate · February 22, 2013 9:42 pm

AliceI wrote:
If they pick up season three two or three years after Sherlock fakes his own death they could really do anything they want with the set right?

Isn't that what happened in the books? The 2-3 year gap I mean.

They're obviously not doing anything different. The set for 221B that's going up is immediately recognizable. My hope is that John has been right there waiting for him, during whatever gap of time they decide will have elapsed.

besleybean · February 22, 2013 9:44 pm

Tho he did say he couldn't go back to the flat...obviously soembody's been living there or something is gonna happen there, pretty soon!

AliceI · February 22, 2013 10:11 pm

besleybean wrote:
Tho he did say he couldn't go back to the flat...obviously soembody's been living there or something is gonna happen there, pretty soon!

Well he did say that he couldn't go back at the moment. He just needed some time to process I think.

AliceI · February 23, 2013 4:47 am

I hope that they decide to go with a shorter time gap than in the books. It seems more believable to me that the period of time that Sherlock pretends to be dead be as short as possible, basically until he and/or Mycroft can ensure that the threat to John, Mrs. Hudson and Lestrade is gone. To me a three year gap seems to be way too long.

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besleybean · February 23, 2013 7:16 am

Unless it takes 3 years to remove the threat!

miriel68 · February 23, 2013 12:36 pm

Well, I think they cannot leave 3 years gap for the simple reason that it would set the plot in the future. After all, Sherlock is supposed to happen now and here. They could use the real gap between seasons - a year or 18 months, but no more, I think. Also, the similing face on the wall speaks eloquently against it: mrs Hudson would certainly have it removed on a long run time.

besleybean · February 23, 2013 12:37 pm

I think she would leave it, to remind her of Sherlock.

Lily · February 23, 2013 12:51 pm

I also don't think they would make it three years. Simply for the reason that Sherlock and John had only known each other for 16 months when Sherlock 'dies', seperating them for three years would just be too much. I think they might go for maybe 12 to 18 months?

QuiteExtraordinary · February 23, 2013 5:31 pm

ancientsgate wrote:
AliceI wrote:
If they pick up season three two or three years after Sherlock fakes his own death they could really do anything they want with the set right?

Isn't that what happened in the books? The 2-3 year gap I mean.
They're obviously not doing anything different. The set for 221B that's going up is immediately recognizable. My hope is that John has been right there waiting for him, during whatever gap of time they decide will have elapsed.

They could use the set they're building now for scenes playing in the past and make a second one for present and future.

Carol the Dabbler · February 23, 2013 8:27 pm

I'm hoping that they actually pick up immediately after "Reichenbach," and show us what Sherlock and John are each doing during their separation.

MNRebecca wrote:
erunyauve wrote:
I'm happy to watch them paint the wall in 221B...
That was a joke in the pilot, right? A reference to the title? A study in pink? Because the flat is where John and Sherlock do their thinking and writing, like a boarding school study?

The episode title was a play on Conan Doyle's novel title, A Study in Scarlet. But now that you mention it, there are other possibilities for humor there. I don't offhand recall much "pink" in their flat, but it was red in the pilot, so maybe it averages out kind of pink!

crazybbcamerican · April 30, 2013 4:22 pm

Finally got to watch this last night while I was lazing around coughing and generally feeling like crap. It was a real pick me up, lol.

Anyway, not that it matters now, but there were quite a few things in the Pilot that I wish they would have kept in S1E1. I just wanted to say it to people who would understand :D

I thoroughly enjoyed Sherlock calling for Angelo to bring him wine and then instantly splashing it on his face. That was classic Sherlock in every sense of the word. In order to play the part you have to do it well!

The way he fights the drugs is pretty amazing, too, seeming to stay almost lucid and able to banter with Hope.

My absolute favorite thing in the whole episode is at the end when Lestrade watches John and Sherlock walk away from the scene. He looks at John, then to Sherlock, back to John and then down at his notebook, where he proceeds to rip out all of the pages of notes he had taken when Sherlock was sitting on the ambulance. That was beautiful and said SO much! (Though pairing that little scene with the boys giggling as they walked away from the scene would have been amazing. I think I'm going to add that to my head canon now.)

Of course, there were some things that I am truly thrilled they changed: Anderson's horrible beard. That was just yuck. I have a hard time believing a CS Tech would be permitted that much facial hair without wearing a net around it.

Donovan--just looks horribly uncomfortable and uptight in that yellow jacket.

Sherlock's clothes! I never thought I would say this, but everytime that shirt hitches out of his pants I wanted to....well, scream, I think. I've never been one for suit porn of any type, but the change was a good one.

For some reason, the camaraderie between the boys is just different in this episode. In some ways a bit warmer (for want of a better word.) It just seemed that Martin and Ben were having an awfully great time just being there. Once we hit E1, I think it's like everyone just "got serious," it's still enjoyable, but now there's a drive to perhaps "get it right." I dunno. It may have been the fever I was running, but that was my impression.

Still! This is the absolute BEST adapation of Doyle's work, in my opinion, ever. It's fun to watch and I get a little thrill everytime I recognize some "little" nod to canon (or Poe, if I may!) Like many others here, I've been reading (and now re-reading) all the Doyle stories and I think I've fallen in love with them all over again.

MNRebecca · April 30, 2013 4:28 pm

Carol the Dabbler wrote:
I don't offhand recall much "pink" in their flat, but it was red in the pilot, so maybe it averages out kind of pink!

Must be my settings. On my tv, it looks Pepto Bismol pink!

krissylou · January 17, 2014 6:47 pm

One thing that really struck me between the pilot and the aired A Study In Pink is Sherlock and John's conversation after Sherlock realizes that John killed the cabbie.

(I won't get the wording exactly right, but it's the idea.)

Pilot:

SH: You have just killed a man.
JW: Yes. In Afghanistan I saw lots of men die. Good men. Friends of mine. Sometimes I thought I'd never sleep again. I'll sleep fine tonight.
SH: Quite right.

Okay, so John is not going to be losing sleep over this. This is justifiable homicide, he was doing what he had to do. But there's still a gravity to the situation.

ASiP

SH: You have just killed a man.
JW: Yes. But he wasn't a very nice man. And a bloody awful cabbie.
SH: He was a bad cabbie. You should have seen the route he took to get us here.

<giggles>

Ummm geez. That's cold. That's really really cold. And it's a deliberate change they made from the original pilot.