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January 3, 2013 9:21 am  #221


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?


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January 3, 2013 9:25 am  #222


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?


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January 3, 2013 11:57 am  #223


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

Brilliant!


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January 3, 2013 3:07 pm  #224


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

Imagine if Sherlock left clues for John. In a kind of hand-holding 'sleuthing for idiots' kind of way. That way Sherlock doesn't revel himself to John; John discovers Sherlock. Perhaps his way of 'cushioning the blow'.

Whatever it is, it's probably going to be epic and I'll probably cry even if it's meant to be funny (which it isn't... probably.)

What if the first half of ep1 centred around John for the most part. And it would take more than a few glances to notice that Sherlock is in the background in most of the scenes. Then the same story in the second half is told from Sherlock's POV, with John in the background? With the ending, of course, being the big reveal and we see their two stories entwining again.

It's not that I want a punch to be thrown. I just want to see some really good drama! I've been starved for something good on telly since last year and I'm bored! I want to see emotions run high. Blood, sweat, tears. I know you can give me what I need S3!

I know. I'm rambling. I'm in work.

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January 3, 2013 3:17 pm  #225


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

This had always been one of my thoughts...as well as him giving clues that he was faking his death.
Yep that too:  the viewer seeing Sherlock shadowing John.


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January 3, 2013 8:48 pm  #226


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

besleybean wrote:

This had always been one of my thoughts...as well as him giving clues that he was faking his death.
Yep that too:  the viewer seeing Sherlock shadowing John.

I've seen that done in fan fic, where Sherlock is there in disguise, hiding in plain sight, for quite a while before John puts two and two together and finally realizes who he's been seeing.  It does cushion the blow somewhat, but it can also be super-creepy, almost like being stalked. I mean, it's creepy enough that Sherlock is dead but he isn't, but the hanging around watching would have to be handled just right, or it could come off as creepy, something I don't think the BBC folks would do.

 

January 4, 2013 12:54 am  #227


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

I keep picturing that "gas leak" exploded building across from 221B and wonder if by the time Series 3 comes out, it will have been renovated.  Maybe partly renovated, but with the flats still under construction - or maybe lots of empty flats or office space because the building has had bad publicity.  (Maybe the title of S3/E1 could be "The Empty Flat" or "The Empty Office".  Hmmm, come to think of it, if John can't live at 221B anymore maybe 221B has become The Empty Flat.)

Well, whatever or where ever the empty house is, I sometimes imagine John noticing strange things going on there - flickering lights at night,etc. - so he goes in one night to investigate.  The tension builds and just as he's about to open a door to a dark, mysterious room, a leather-gloved hand from behind clamps across his mouth and pulls him back into the shadows. It's not a bad guy - it's Sherlock! Yay! - whispering to John to keep quiet and not move. He's keeping John back from messing up some careful trap he's set or maybe keeping him from getting killed by some trap Moran has set. John of course is shocked (maybe goes weak in the knees as he has done in the past) but instantly pulls himself together and gets back in side-kick/partners-in-danger mode and follows instructions. Now, for all the Johnlockers out there, the two could stand pressed back into the shadows while Sherlock whispers the plan in John's ear so there's a touchy feely moment.  For everyone else, Sherlock is just giving his side-kick the scoop on what they need to do next.  What happens after the danger is passed and the two guys get a chance to talk - well, who knows.....

It's just a fun idea I play with sometimes for amusement. I know I'll never out think those writers no matter how hard I try.


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January 4, 2013 1:02 am  #228


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

KeepersPrice wrote:

I keep picturing that "gas leak" exploded building across from 221B and wonder if by the time Series 3 comes out, it will have been renovated.  Maybe partly renovated, but with the flats still under construction - or maybe lots of empty flats or office space because the building has had bad publicity.  (Maybe the title of S3/E1 could be "The Empty Flat" or "The Empty Office".  Hmmm, come to think of it, if John can't live at 221B anymore maybe 221B has become The Empty Flat.)

Well, whatever or where ever the empty house is, I sometimes imagine John noticing strange things going on there - flickering lights at night,etc. - so he goes in one night to investigate.  The tension builds and just as he's about to open a door to a dark, mysterious room, a leather-gloved hand from behind clamps across his mouth and pulls him back into the shadows. It's not a bad guy - it's Sherlock! Yay! - whispering to John to keep quiet and not move. He's keeping John back from messing up some careful trap he's set or maybe keeping him from getting killed by some trap Moran has set. John of course is shocked (maybe goes weak in the knees as he has done in the past) but instantly pulls himself together and gets back in side-kick/partners-in-danger mode and follows instructions. Now, for all the Johnlockers out there, the two could stand pressed back into the shadows while Sherlock whispers the plan in John's ear so there's a touchy feely moment.  For everyone else, Sherlock is just giving his side-kick the scoop on what they need to do next.  What happens after the danger is passed and the two guys get a chance to talk - well, who knows.....

It's just a fun idea I play with sometimes for amusement. I know I'll never out think those writers no matter how hard I try.

Very in keeping with the feel of the canon. I like it!


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January 4, 2013 1:08 am  #229


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

KeepersPrice wrote:

.... I sometimes imagine John noticing strange things going on there - flickering lights at night,etc. - so he goes in one night to investigate.  The tension builds and just as he's about to open a door to a dark, mysterious room, a leather-gloved hand from behind clamps across his mouth and pulls him back into the shadows. It's not a bad guy - it's Sherlock! Yay! - whispering to John to keep quiet and not move. He's keeping John back from messing up some careful trap he's set or maybe keeping him from getting killed by some trap Moran has set. John of course is shocked (maybe goes weak in the knees as he has done in the past) but instantly pulls himself together and gets back in side-kick/partners-in-danger mode and follows instructions. Now, for all the Johnlockers out there, the two could stand pressed back into the shadows while Sherlock whispers the plan in John's ear so there's a touchy feely moment.  For everyone else, Sherlock is just giving his side-kick the scoop on what they need to do next.  What happens after the danger is passed and the two guys get a chance to talk - well, who knows.........

Now this, my friend, is a plot bunny if I ever saw one. Write it write it write it!

 

January 4, 2013 8:04 am  #230


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

Great idea, KP, try your hand at this! 


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January 4, 2013 8:17 am  #231


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

Phew!

Is is just me, or has it suddenly got very hot in here?

No seriously, I like it.

I think it could also incorporate  a funny moment later on, where unsuspecting Sherlock thinks he's pulled a clever stunt on dopey John, when out of the blue John turns on Sherlock and belts him, or grabs his collar and says in his face:  if you ever pull a stunt like that again...

Some clever people guessed the phone call at the Pool...I didn't.


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January 4, 2013 4:17 pm  #232


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

KeepersPrice wrote:

Maybe the title of S3/E1 could be "The Empty Flat" or "The Empty Office".  Hmmm, come to think of it, if John can't live at 221B anymore maybe 221B has become The Empty Flat.

And don´t forget about about 221C ....

 

January 4, 2013 4:22 pm  #233


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

Yeah I's already thought of that.
But I think it's a bit too near one of the targets:  Mrs H.


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January 4, 2013 5:17 pm  #234


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

KeepersPrice wrote:

I keep picturing that "gas leak" exploded building across from 221B and wonder if by the time Series 3 comes out, it will have been renovated.  Maybe partly renovated, but with the flats still under construction - or maybe lots of empty flats or office space because the building has had bad publicity.  (Maybe the title of S3/E1 could be "The Empty Flat" or "The Empty Office".  Hmmm, come to think of it, if John can't live at 221B anymore maybe 221B has become The Empty Flat.)

Well, whatever or where ever the empty house is, I sometimes imagine John noticing strange things going on there - flickering lights at night,etc. - so he goes in one night to investigate.  The tension builds and just as he's about to open a door to a dark, mysterious room, a leather-gloved hand from behind clamps across his mouth and pulls him back into the shadows. It's not a bad guy - it's Sherlock! Yay! - whispering to John to keep quiet and not move. He's keeping John back from messing up some careful trap he's set or maybe keeping him from getting killed by some trap Moran has set. John of course is shocked (maybe goes weak in the knees as he has done in the past) but instantly pulls himself together and gets back in side-kick/partners-in-danger mode and follows instructions. Now, for all the Johnlockers out there, the two could stand pressed back into the shadows while Sherlock whispers the plan in John's ear so there's a touchy feely moment.  For everyone else, Sherlock is just giving his side-kick the scoop on what they need to do next.  What happens after the danger is passed and the two guys get a chance to talk - well, who knows.....

It's just a fun idea I play with sometimes for amusement. I know I'll never out think those writers no matter how hard I try.

Oh, no... no, not that far off-base at all, from similar I've pictured, and what the writers might realistically do.  Fun idea.  Afterwards, of course, I'm still convinced there'd be some mixture of of Big Stare, a punch, then a hug.  ;)  (Moffat did say after all there'd be a bit of swearing involved....  ;D)

I find myself idly imagining once in a while, too,  what the writers would find most realistic/twisty.  Maybe give John a bit of credit with either keeping his promise or still believing (and questioning Mycroft/looking into things himself, discreetly).  Similar to yours.... Maybe go visit Mrs. Hudson one day, and actually notice (since he's better at that after all his time with Sherlock) that something's wrong/amiss - and it's either Sherlock upstairs, or an actual danger (Goran?), the reason for Sherlock's death-hiding (just like in The Empty House), and Sherlock's been tailing him, leading to an unfortunate sudden show-down with reunion plopped in the middle.  Or John begins noticing one too many little clues, such as being tailed by a bad guy, and goes to Diogenes to demand an answer out of Mycroft.  Walk into office, similar scene with the brothers like after the gas-leak explosion - the two of them just staring at each other (in the middle of working on what to do next after particular bad guy/occurrences drew Sherlock back again, a bit worse for wear), looking to John with a brightening glance...  "Hello, John."  John:  . . . .

   Awww....   (and is reminding me of this art about that very idea I think you'd like: http://misterkay.deviantart.com/art/Believing-281249541?q=gallery%3Amisterkay%2F20559632&qo=33  not posting it here cuz kinda on big side... plus giving credit going to the artist's site)
Addendum:  Ok, ok, can't help myself...  ^_^  One more little related art piece: http://y0do.deviantart.com/art/The-Prestige-280442831  If anyone's seen the movie The Prestige... kind of an amazing twist on it with the part about pulling off a magic trick.  Because yes... yes.. that's what we're all wondering...)


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January 4, 2013 5:40 pm  #235


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

Not seen The Prestige and personally I'm not wondering about a magic trick much...faked death I'm fairly accepting with:  it's the conspiracy theories of how we got there(just watched Reichenbach again) but mostly The Reunion, that occupy my mind.
Can't wait!


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January 9, 2013 6:31 pm  #236


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

I would like to see John getting very angry and then punching Sherlock in da face.
And this is what probably happens...


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January 9, 2013 7:41 pm  #237


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

I agree it probably will happen and maybe people think it's right for John.  But I think it's so crass.
Then again, others probably think  my idea of the boys hugging is crass...much nicer, tho.


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January 9, 2013 7:43 pm  #238


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

I would like to see John Smiling in his perfectly cuddly and overly happy way and then struggling with his feelings until he is reminded, that actually he is really angry. SO after a few seconds of struggle he starts shouting. I don't want him to punch Sherlock, that would be repeating...
(careful: my Johnlock-DNA might be showing up again) When John is finished with shouting and stuff (Sherlock lets him do as he pleases of course) he... hugs him <3
A kiss on the first meeting would be to much...

 

January 12, 2013 10:54 am  #239


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

A lot of people here think it's "like John" to faint or almost faint, but  I'd say, it's "like most people" to be weak to the knees (Sherlock being, like always, one of the exceptions) in or after dangerous/traumatic situations. But I agree, I can definitely see him reacting like that, with stumbling backwards, leaning against the wall, his vision blurring... then he will maybe gather his senses and try to hit Sherlock (I'd love to see him try and miss by far, because of his emotions). His anger will then come bubbling out of him... and I think he has every right to be angry and hurt. Personally, I would be hurt, but then, I would never be able to put up with Sherlock in the first place, so...

I'm really, really looking forward to this scene and also the aftermath, because I can't imagine it being resolved in just one scene. He'll be angry. My fan heart would like Sherlock to decide to not keep John out of his plans next time. So although it probably was necessary to fake his death convincingly, I'd like him to see his fault (?). If only his fault of not telling John earlier that he was alive, because that must have been wrong, depending on how much time has passed. What would he get from not telling John? 

Just my thoughts.

Oh, and I really don't want it to be three years before Sherlock's coming back. That's just way too long!

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January 12, 2013 11:05 am  #240


Re: How will John react when he finds out Sherlock isn't dead?

Hera wrote:

Oh, and I really don't want it to be three years before Sherlock coming back. That's just way too long!

Ja. That's really way too long. 
They knew each other since one and half years, I guess.
So they should not be separated beyond this time.


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"-solve crimes?"
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