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January 2, 2013 6:19 pm  #21


Re: is sherlock an atheist ?

So maybe is back story then...Mummy running off, or Daddy?


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January 2, 2013 6:24 pm  #22


Re: is sherlock an atheist ?

besleybean wrote:

So maybe is back story then...Mummy running off, or Daddy?

Or we could ask Benedict what his backstory was. Although I suppose he wouldn't tell. 


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January 2, 2013 6:26 pm  #23


Re: is sherlock an atheist ?

SusiGo wrote:

besleybean wrote:

So maybe is back story then...Mummy running off, or Daddy?

Or we could ask Benedict what his backstory was. Although I suppose he wouldn't tell. 

You could...

But no, I don't suppose he would.


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January 2, 2013 9:46 pm  #24


Re: is sherlock an atheist ?

in the Irene Adler episode sherlock said "for God's sake" and "dear lord"
doesn't that tell us if hes an atheist or not ?
and harriet
"But notice also the articles we had here before regarding Sherlock being catholic, anglican or even jewish..."
where is this article and can i trust it

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January 2, 2013 9:49 pm  #25


Re: is sherlock an atheist ?

there are links in this board leading to several more or less good magazine articles,
if you use the search function on top you should be able to find them one by one 


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January 2, 2013 9:50 pm  #26


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I'm an atheist and I blaspheme constantly, so that tells us nothing.
I'd be surprised if the Holmes boys weren't raised good Anglicans, but this also tells us nothing.


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January 2, 2013 9:53 pm  #27


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a sherlock holmes fan wrote:

in the Irene Adler episode sherlock said "for God's sake" and "dear lord"
doesn't that tell us if hes an atheist or not ?

Some of those phrases become part of a vernacular and get used even if one doesn't believe in a higher power. I'll say similar (though generally surrounded with worse language), but I am an atheist. I was raised in a catholic household and the phrases stuck.

besleybean  beat me to the same basic comment.

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January 2, 2013 10:27 pm  #28


Re: is sherlock an atheist ?

I think like with Sherlock being gay, we are simply not really told - not that it matters to him what we think


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January 2, 2013 10:30 pm  #29


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I'm fairly clear in my own mind that he's not gay.
I would assume he is atheist, but I just don't know,

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January 2, 2013 10:52 pm  #30


Re: is sherlock an atheist ?

a sherlock holmes fan wrote:

in the Irene Adler episode sherlock said "for God's sake" and "dear lord"
doesn't that tell us if hes an atheist or not ?

Not in my opinion. Is he praying? Cursing? Neither one is an indication of faith or not. Both of those expressions are usually used as just that.... simple expressions.

 

January 2, 2013 10:57 pm  #31


Re: is sherlock an atheist ?

besleybean wrote:

I'm an atheist and I blaspheme constantly, so that tells us nothing.

I don't think it can be blasphemy if the speaker is not a believer-- to a true atheist, those expletives would just be words like any other words. *smile*

I'd be surprised if the Holmes boys weren't raised good Anglicans, but this also tells us nothing.

My understanding is that the vast majority of UK residents are not church goers or believers, so.... the odds are that he is totally unchurched and totally atheist, simply because he's never allowed his prodigious brain to "go there" and consider it and perhaps never even been exposed to it.

Interesting question, this, but we'll never know the answer. The showrunners and writers will never take their characters in any direction to fill in this part of their backstories, IMO.

 

January 2, 2013 11:13 pm  #32


Re: is sherlock an atheist ?

Very interesting question.

I don't think Sherlock is an atheist and here's why: He can't prove or disprove that God/god(s) exist.  And I think without the ability to be certain, he wouldn't commit himself to something unknown.  However, I do think that, if anything, he could be an agnostic, precisely because the existence of a higher deity(ies) can't rationally be proven and must be taken on faith.  Which is something I don't think comes easily, if at all, to Sherlock--he needs to see evidence before he'll accept something as fact.

I would imagine he was raised an A-nglican but has lapsed; once he developed his powers of deduction and observation, I think Sherlock would no longer follow an organized religion.

As for his comment that dead people don't go to heaven, to me that word, heaven, connotes a monotheistic Western construct.  Sherlock could possibly share the Buddhist belief in/hope of reaching Nirvana or the Hindu (and other religion's) belief in reincarnation.  Though I don't actually think that's likely.   


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January 2, 2013 11:51 pm  #33


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Sherli Bakerst wrote:

I don't think Sherlock is an atheist and here's why: He can't prove or disprove that God/god(s) exist. And I think without the ability to be certain, he wouldn't commit himself to something unknown.

An atheist does not need to have faith (or proof) in either direction. An accurate description of an atheist point of view is, "I do not believe in any higher power." This could alternately be explained as, "I do not see sufficient evidence to substantiate the claim that there is any higher power." There is no faith involved. It's not saying, "I believe there is no higher power," or "There is no possibility of a higher power," just "I don't believe in a higher power and don't see strong evidence of one." Should new evidence be discovered, this perspective may change.

Keep in mind, "agnostic" need not only apply to religion. One can be both "agnostic toward religion" and "an atheist". A reasonable example statement from such a person would be, "I don't know if there are any gods or not, and so I do not believe in any."

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January 3, 2013 3:07 am  #34


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a sherlock holmes fan wrote:

............. where is this article and can i trust it

Trust all articles here as much as you'd trust a bot wolf in sheep's clothing.

Meh, make money, see if I care.


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January 3, 2013 8:17 am  #35


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June 24, 2014 10:30 pm  #36


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Yes. In the sign of three he says something about God adn then says well he would be if he were not a lutacrist fantasy designed to create a oppurtunity to the family idiot. (he does kind of contradict himeself but I do believe he would be an agnostic atheist.)

 

June 25, 2014 5:41 am  #37


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Oh course he is and I never doubted it...I only ever doubted how the writers would choose to show it.


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June 25, 2014 7:31 am  #38


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Sherlock had a "near-death" experience but his views in the intelligent design department were never touched on; unimportant as they were chasing CAM. I wonder if there were to be a moment for some indication of his thoughts in that department if we should see any change.

Main reason this would be interesting is because many hardcore atheists including Christopher Hitchens have been known to moderate their views in relation to God when facing death. He never turned & became religious but he did moderate his original views.

It would be interesting to see if anything similar happens to Sherlock.

 

June 25, 2014 9:39 am  #39


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geeksugars wrote:

Yes. In the sign of three he says something about God adn then says well he would be if he were not a lutacrist fantasy designed to create a oppurtunity to the family idiot. (he does kind of contradict himeself but I do believe he would be an agnostic atheist.)

An agnostic atheist isn't possible. One cannot be both simultaneously.

I believe the word he used was ludicrous, meaning ridiculous, preposterous, idiotic, absurd. These sentiments, said out loud in "polite" company, and not only that, right in the face of a perfectly nice gentleman of the cloth who, I'm sure, didn't feel his own faith was ludicrous or a fantasy, either one, seemed cruel, even for "a-bit-not-good" Sherlock. Completely inappropriate, even more so than he usually is, IMO. I literally cringed when I heard it the first time.

This is all conjecture, since we have no way of knowing Sherlock's true heart when it comes to this subject, any more than we can understand the true nature of his sexuality, since the writers haven't spelled it out for us in either case.

 

June 25, 2014 6:42 pm  #40


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I  cheered.
We atheists do think God is a ludicrous concept!
I'm unsure how much clearer Sherlock could be.

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