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May 11, 2022 2:57 pm  #41


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I didn't think Austria was forgettable, but I think I forgot to mention them because I also missed most of their performance. I liked what I heard in the recap, my mom as well, and I ended up looking up their performance to watch it in full this morning. I thought it was a very catchy song with a good driving beat and energy. They looked like they were having a great time, which is always nice to see.
I ended up watching Croatia this morning as well. I like the way the dancers helped to tell the story of the song, too. It's actually kind of moving.

I hadn't watched Reddi's cover of Think About  Things, but I just listened to it now and I think they did a good job doing a rock interpretation of it. I also watched they semi-final performance and I enjoyed it.

There was a period of time where I went from liking Slovenia's song to being sick of it, but now that I've seen them perform in the competition I like it again.

I think your observation about emotional songs is interesting (I saw some discussion on Tumblr blaming the juries for how many ballads made it into the final, but I don't think it's just them, and I am glad that Iceland and Portugal made it). Something else I was thinking of last night is that with the exception of Armenia (which didn't compete in Eurovision last year), Albania and Bulgaria (which both made it to the final last year but not this year), all the countries that made it to this year's final so far are the same countries that made it last year. Latvia, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, and Denmark all didn't qualify last year. They don't all have similar songs from last year, the only similarity is maybe that Denmark had a retro-sounding song last year, too, even though the style was pretty different. I know there will always be overlap because the same countries compete every year and only 10 qualify from each semi-final, but I find it interesting how similar the results were for each country for this semi-final. Maybe the populations selecting their songs don't share the same taste as the rest of Europe? Or maybe it's just a coincidence, I saw a lot of people disappointed that Latvia didn't make it to the final on Tumblr. I was hoping they would because I like their energy and because my grandparents are from Latvia, but I could kind of see why they didn't qualify.



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May 12, 2022 7:17 am  #42


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I hadn't noticed that the same countries were qualifying!  That's interesting. 
I don't really like the Latvia song, but I do think they put on a good show, and it might have been nice to have them in the final intead of, say, Switzerland.  Although I do think Marius is a really good singer and did well, and I suppose good for him getting voted in with a fairly low key, ungimmicky (apart from the broken heart lights), gentle performance.  I'm glad Norway got in, but have to admit I don't really get it!  I quite enjoy the performance and it's always a bit better than I remembered when I watch them, but it's one that I'd want to skip if listening in the car. 

At the moment, I'm just obsessed with Diodato's performance!  I didn't pay much attention to the Eurovision songs in 2020, because of everything that was going on, but watching his solo performance in an the empty coliseum in Verona, then the performance at the Semi Final is really powerful.  Italy was hit so hard by covid that spring, and the UK was close behind.  Of course, the whole of the rest of the world was hit afterwards, but this took me back to that time.  I loved the dancers in the 2022 version.  Just wonderful.

Really looking forward to the second semi-final!  I don't want to try predicting who will get through, but I'm hoping my favourites do.  I'm also going to reserve judgment until I see the whole show because I might end up liking some more than I expect.  Azerbajan, for instance, is one that has never made it into my favourites, but it's quite a good song and a good singer, so there's a chance that will creep up my list on the night!  I don't like Finland this year, but almost want it to get through just to have a straightforward rock song in there. I do have a top ten list (which doesn't include Finland) but like last time, I'll score them on the night!

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May 12, 2022 7:24 am  #43


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Sorry, it's Verona arena, not colliseum!  I should know, I've been there!  Such a beautiful city.  (I didn't have tickets for the arena, but do remember it was Aida that was being performed). 
I love this song so much more than Brividi.  I've felt more emotional about this than any of this year's songs, so if this had been an entry this year, this would be my winner. 
 

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May 12, 2022 5:24 pm  #44


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There's a little piece about Sam Ryder on BBC Eurovision page, and there's a tiny bit of a duet with Conchita Wurst!  I would love to see them do a full version!  The song was "It's all coming back to me" which is a favourite of mine. 
I can actually vote tonight.  I haven't decided if I will or not - will see how I feel after watching the acts! 
 

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May 13, 2022 7:14 am  #45


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I'm fairly pleased with the second semi-final results.  I had a top ten after watching the performances and seven of those went through.  The ones that didn't were:

Ireland - I think Brooke has got better and better.  I really enjoy this song and it's a bit different to anything else in the competition.
North Macedonia: there's something very earnest and authentic about Andrea.  I heard that she was in trouble for inadvertently disrespecting the flag (she threw it to somebody instead of passing it when having her photo taken on the red carpet), and I wish she had got through.  I do like this song .
San Marino: was not a favourite of mine, but I did think it was a really fun performance, a bit different, and would break up the show well.  I loved the silliness of the mechanical bull!
 
Of the ones that did get through but not in my favourites:
Finland - I did enjoy this performance.  They are so enthusiastic and looked like they were having a great time!  But I don't like the song very much.
Azerbijan - this was borderline top ten for me, so I was happy to see it go through.  I probably preferred it over Sam Marino, but San Marino was a bit different. I like the singer, but had found the song a little bit bland.  I think it was better live. 
Romania - again this was a borderline top ten.  I find WRS really likeable and the song is quite catchy.  I didn't think it would go through, though.

The ones that weren't in my top ten but didn't go through:
Israel - I think he is a good performaner, but I don't like the song.  I've also been a bit put off by accounts of inappropriate behaviour from Michael Ben David.  I did actually wonder if he's just not good at reading people and isn't aware when he's crossing a line.  But it could be that he's just full of himself and a bit creepy, and it did put me off this a bit.
Georgia - I don't really connect with this song at all.  I don't understand what the song is about and kept worrying that the lead singer couldn't see and was going to fall off the stage.
Malta - just a bit of a bland song
Cyprus - I felt her voice was a bit off.  I quite like this song and it wasn't bad, just not a favourite
Montenegro - I do like this song.  I felt she had to stand still and balance that costume. I liked the costume but not as much as the really geometric one she has in one of the videos.  I thought she had improved from the previous live performances and this was on the edge of my top ten.  If she had staging like Diodato had on Tuesday then I think this would have been better and in the top ten for me.  Would have loved to see dancers lifting her up to "breathe"!

Then the ones from my top ten that made it!
Serbia - I thought this was a great performance, quite exciting.  I think it's the most arty entry and it's different so will be pleased to see it in the final.  The audience seemed to be on board with it.
Australia - I have probably over listened to this!  But I thought the staging and costume elevated it.  It was interesting that he goes up a staircase instead of going down like in the promotional video.  I loved the costume and think it was the worth the training he had to do to walk upstairs with it! 
Estonia - Stefan is consistently good at his live performances, very good looking and charming and connects with audience.  He moves around a lot and smiles a lot, which was quite nice among so many less happy songs. I think he sells it well.
Belgium - Jeremie is the opposite of Stefan - he seems to struggle to get that audience connection, both with the live audience and the camera, and doesn't really look like he's enjoying himself.  But I think he did well and I do like this song, and think he has a great voice.
Sweden - another one that I've probably overplayed, but Cornelia is consistently good, and I think it's a great song.  I love her voice - she doesn't have the dramatic high notes and so on of some of the singers, but it really fits the song, I think, and she always gets it right.
Czech Republic - have struggled in live performances previously, but I think getting better, and the lights helped the atmosphere!
Poland - he is a great singer.  I don't like the song as much as most people though.   I think the dancers, etc. helped as he doesn't move about much - however he always seems to sing very well.

I'm going to post this before I lose it!
 

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May 13, 2022 7:28 am  #46


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And just another quick bit about the previews of Germany, Spain and the UK. 

I like Germany's song, but don't see it as a winner.  This was one I dismissed until I found I was really enjoying it hearing it in the car.
Spain - I love Chanel!  I like the song, don't think it's a great one, but she completely sells it, sings beautifully while doing difficult dance moves (compare to, say, Ronela) and is a star.
UK- If I didn't love Sweden so much, I think this would be my favourite.  My only crticism is that I find Sam's voice a little bit thin on those high notes compared to some of the other singers.  But I think that's just him and he does have a great voice - I'm just looking for something bad to say!  It's a really good song, a nice sentiment, and a great performer.  And he does get to move around a bit on the stage (I was worried that he was going to be static as I think he looks great moving around with his hair bouncing! 
 

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May 13, 2022 3:50 pm  #47


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I enjoyed reading your comments. I wasn't able to watch this second semi final all the way through because of an errand I had to run, but I watched the  first few performances and then caught the announcement of the qualifiers at the end. I watched the non-qualifying performances this morning since I know I'll see the qualifiers again.

I thought Ireland wasn't bad, even if I didn't really like the lighting design. I like Brooke's voice. I thought Isreal's song was kind of like Moldova's last year in style, the male dancers, and the long note partway through. He's an energetic performer, but it wasn't my cup of tea. That's unfortunate about some of the singer's behaviour. I wasn't aware of that.
I find that Georgia's song is just meaningless. I've read the lyrics and they definitely don't make sense, either in terms of logic and sometimes not grammatically either. I kind of like that they are weird, the steampunk elements of some of their costumes, and that they said "Make love, not war." But I didn't like their lighting design either and I'm not surprised they didn't qualify.
I think Malta is fine, but maybe not the most standout. I like the message though and I think Emma Muscat has a good voice.
I thought Andromache's voice didn't seem very strong. Maybe it was nerves. I thought her set design was interesting, but the song didn't stand out to me.
I realized while listening to Montenegro that I hadn't listened to her song before the competition. I like her low voice. I didn't understand the lyrics right away, but I think they are gesturing towards caring for the planet and fellow people, which I think is a good message.
I thought San Marino was a bit of a mess. Not really my cup of tea in terms of the song or the performance, and his costume, but I agree that the mechanical bull was funny! Definitely going for the opportunities to be over-the-top that Eurovision provides, which I appreciated.

I thought Azerbaijan's staging and performance were interesting and I'm looking forward to getting another chance to see it. I didn't see all of Finland's performance, but now that I've seen the singer in a few backstage interviews, he seems sweet which kind of make me feel bad that I don't like the song more. I enjoyed Serbia, and I think it's cool that so many people were clapping along! I'm glad she included some onscreen text about the meaning of the lyrics, since I think they're important to the song, even if they aren't all exactly the same as a translation of the lyrics. I like the fact that it's so different from everything else, you are right it's very arty. I kind of think of it as performance art, almost.

I only saw the recap of the rest of the performers, and when I heard them I understood why they were picked. I figured Stefan and Ochman would make it, and I like them so I'm glad they did. I think the singer from Czech Republic sounded better in the clip from this performance than in some other ones, which is nice. In a backstage interview after qualifying she said she had to save her voice for the final, so I'm not surprised if that's what she was doing before, too.
I'm looking forward to hearing the full UK performance. I think the song has grown on me, and I like the theme of it.

And on a Subwoolfer note: It's been revealed that TIX isn't the astronaut. The video I saw earlier in the week was a stunt. The mystery continues! I never expected this year's Eurovision to have an element of The Masked Singer, a show I've never watched, but that's what's happening.

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May 13, 2022 6:16 pm  #48


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I didn't think of the Masked Singer, but you're right! The mystery element is fun, although I probably won't know who it is when they're revealed anyway. 

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May 14, 2022 4:40 am  #49


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Well I will watch some of it tonight, but not the whole slog.
I haven't watched Eurovision for over 15 years, I dont think.
But the BBC have done a good job on the trailer, it's from my son's home nation and I'm not doing anything else!


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May 14, 2022 7:42 am  #50


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Glad you are joining us, Besleybean!  I'm a fairly regular Eurovision watcher - it's a bit of a guilty secret, as I don't know anyone else offline who likes it.  But I don't normally stay up for the results as they are too late at night for me!  Will try to avoid spoilers and watch them tomorrow morning.  I'll be interested to know what you think of the songs watching them for the first time live. 

I watched a bit of the wiwibloggs livestream of the jury final last night.  Unfortunately it kept lagging (I should have watched one of the other streams), but most of the acts I heard sounded pretty good.  They got up and danced all through Moldova.  I must have watched too much Eurovision as I found I could sing along to a lot of the songs!  I think I have my top five chosen now, but we will see on the night!   I think Ireland, San Marino and Albania would all have been fun to watch on the night, so a bit disappointed they didn't qualify even if they're not my favourites: maybe people are preferring slower, gentler songs this year.   I agree that San Marino was a bit of a mess, but I found it quite fun and OTT.

I think of the ones we haven't seen yet, Germany might get a bit lost with the other slower songs, which is a shame as I quite like it.  Whereas France and Spain might stand out quite well, and the UK is very upbeat too. Italy is a duet which is a bit different.

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May 14, 2022 8:40 am  #51


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Oh dear, doesn't bode well for me.
I was only going to watch cos the trailer made it look quite rocky!


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May 14, 2022 12:56 pm  #52


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No, definitely not rocky.  The opener Czech Republic is quite dancy and up tempo, and the closer is Country and Western and kind of upbeat, but not a lot of rock.  Finland is probably the most "rock".  Germany reminds me of Linkin Park, a kind of soft nu-metal sound, but not really rock.  All the rockier ones were voted out in the semifinals!  You will have plenty of space for loo breaks, lol! 
There are some up-tempo numbers which aren't rock: I do really like Ukraine's kind of folk/rap thing, Moldova is fast and dancy, but that's about it apart from the ones I've mentioned (France, etc.).  Kind of funny because I think people thought there would be loads of rock this year after Maneskin winning, but it's the opposite!
 

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May 14, 2022 1:25 pm  #53


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Just off a video call with the Italian family...
they may give it  a watch, too.


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May 14, 2022 5:03 pm  #54


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Might be fun to watch as they're hosting, even if they don't normally watch it.  The Italian entry is highly rated this year!  Another slowish ballady one, though, quite sweet.

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May 14, 2022 7:02 pm  #55


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Here we go from
"Tried changing jobs, tried changing lovers
Changing my furniture, change my bed covers" (love those lines!)
to "Hey, sing your heart out boy"!  
I've cracked open an alcohol free Czech beer and ready to party with my cat!  Enjoy!

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May 14, 2022 7:22 pm  #56


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If we had been organised...we would have arranged a live chat along, or even tweet along! 
Anyhow, I won't be seeing much of it, before I walk the dog and then go to bed...
but I did like the Czech offering!
Romania wasn't bad...
surprised they could hold onto each other-
never seen so much body oil in my life!
I think Portugal's would have worked elsewhere....
this is not the forum for it, I mean Eurovision-
need hi energy!
Well, Finland rocked!
Yes I knowit's a ballad, but I quite liked Switzerland's entry.
I like France's too, just didn't sound terribly er...French!
Fun novelty number from Norway:
my school kids would love it!
The Armenia lass is doing well, incidentally...
do they ALL sing in English now?!

 

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May 14, 2022 9:36 pm  #57


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There were a few not in English!  I've had a live chat with my son who lives a mile away - I should just have gone round to watch it!  France was really good tonight.  There were a couple of other high energy ones - Spain, Moldova, Ukraine - they were all good!

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May 15, 2022 8:23 am  #58


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Against my better judgment I stayed up late to watch the results, and I'm glad I did!  I don't bother too much about who wins, but my favourites were in the top, so that was nice. 

A lot of people seem upset about Ukraine getting the "sympathy vote".  I'm happy about it.  I liked the song anyway, and I thought they performed very well and the staging was great. For me, it's not just the singers and the song, but the feelings you get from it.  I think it's impossible to watch Ukraine's performance without thinking about what's going on there, and the theme of mothers trying to protect thier children was so moving in that context.  It did make me feel like voting for them (although I didn't vote for anyone in the end). 

It was interesting live chatting with people who hadn't been following it.  Their favourite was Moldova (Moldova weren't anywhere near top for me, but on the night I really liked them! Maybe because there were so many slower songs), followed by Ukraine, Spain, France.  So I think there were people liking the Ukraine song regardless.  Sweden, Spain and the UK were favourites of mine and all were really good and I think deserved their high scores.  Also nice as Spain and UK haven't done very well for a while.  It's a shame France were so low.  Maybe it was a bit too dark, and I suppose not much of a melody.

I did not like the presenters generally, but I did like Mika's medley.

I think Sam UK and Chanel Spain are likeable and great performers and will hopefully do well regardless of not winning.  Apparently Spain might have won if Ukraine hadn't had so much of the televote (Spain's televote was much higher than the UK's). 

I really enjoyed getting geared up for this and watching the semis this year (first time for me.  I usually just watch the final).   It was quite a different experience because I went in already having clear favourites and having an idea of how they'd perform on the night.  It was fun watching being able to sing along and knowing a bit of background.  I'm considering going in even earlier next year and following the country selections .... or is that getting too obsessive?

Anyway, I'm glad I stayed up last night, and glad Ukraine won.  It's kind of a historical moment in Eurovision and I think we'll always think of the war there when Ukraine comes up in a list of winners.  There's a warm feeling about so many people rooting for them.
 

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May 15, 2022 10:44 pm  #59


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I enjoyed reading both of your comments, Liberty and besleybean! Just like last year, I wasn't able to watch the final live (though for a different reason), but I watched it after lunch this afternoon. I thought the hosts were kind of annoying and repetitive, so I skipped most of their blah-blah-blah, but they had some fun moments towards the end before the results.

I ended up enjoying Finland more than I had hearing earlier performances of the song, I think they are definitely better than Blind Channel. The band members seem to have a great bond and were having a great time.
I thought Moldova was fantastic, as I did before. My mom and I both enjoyed them very much, so fun. I'm glad they got lots of votes from the public, even if the juries didn't give them a lot.
I was surprised how many points Greece got. I thought it was a fairly good song and performance, but I don't really get why it got so many 12 points. As far as emotional songs, go, I think I ended up enjoying Sweden the most. I wasn't really into it before, but the performance in the Grand Final worked for me. I thought Kornelia did a great job.
It was nice seeing TIX present his country's jury. He looked really nice in his tux, which is not his usual look. I was wondering if he was going to wear his sunglasses or not, since lately he hasn't been wearing them as often. It was nice to see him without them, even though I respect why he often wears them. But it's also nice that he's getting more comfortable without them. It was nice to see Arny Fjola deliver Iceland's jury points, too, and it was funny how she worked in two song titles into her little speech.
I think almost all the best songs, for me, ended up in the second half of the performance, though I enjoyed some of the earlier ones, like Subwoolfer. I still think they are kind of annoying, but they are so Eurovision.
I continue to find Kalush Orchestra's performance moving. They released a  video today for Stefania that was filmed since the Russian invasion, and the imagery is quite powerful. And they put the English lyrics on it, too.
I thought Ochman did even more amazingly in his vocals in his performance, I was surprised he didn't get more points, too. Same with Stefan, though maybe not as spectacular as some of the others.
I was really excited for Konstrakta when she was briefly at the top of the scoreboard. Since her song is so different, even though she has fans I wasn't sure how well she would be received in the end. I'm glad there are people who appreciated her performance, because I think the song has a good message and she's a compelling performer.
I wasn't expecting Iceland to win, but I thought they would get more points even if it's a low-key song. I'm glad they didn't come in last, at least.
Germany is in last again! I thought his performance wasn't bad, I think I liked the song more than I initially did, but it's still not one of my favourites.

I'm truly happy for Kalush Orchestra winning. I don't think it's just a sympathy vote, since their song is pretty good. It has a moving and meaningful message, and blends contemporary with tranditional music, and that's something that's great about Eurovision (just like how Go_A was popuolar last year for doing their own combination of contemporary and traditional). Sure, it shows support, and I think it's very meaningful for the Ukrainian people, but I don't think that's a bad thing. My mom actually started to get emotional when they were announced as the winners, because of what it means for Ukraine and because of what's been going on in the world. I hope there will be more good news for Ukraine in the near future. I saw a video on Tumblr of the Ukrainian commentator, broadcasting from a bunker, and his reaction to the win. I think it represents what a lot of other people are feeling. I agree with you, Liberty, it's not just about performance and musicianship, but emotions too.

I might have other things to say, but that's all I can remember right now.
 

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May 16, 2022 6:11 pm  #60


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Yes, Ukraine was in my top five anyway.  I thought it was well staged and performed on the night.  I think there was some sympathy (my favourite song was Sweden, but I wanted Ukraine to win!), but I don't think they'd have the same result if it had been a rubbish song.  I noticed Ukraine also won their semi-final by quite a large margin.  I've seen the new video and it's very powerful. 

https://wiwibloggs.com/2022/05/15/eurovision-2022-semi-final-one-results-ukraine-kalush-orchestra-won/272487/
https://wiwibloggs.com/2022/05/15/eurovision-2022-semi-final-two-results-sweden-cornelia-jakobs-won/272490/
And Sweden won their semi-final too.  Nice to see North Macedonia was the highest scoring non-qualifier of all of them, as I did really like it.  I don't think it had any chance of winning the competition, though.  I'm kind of surprised how low Ireland scored.  Maybe just not the right song for the mood of 2022. 

I read back over my live chat with my son and it was so funny all the comments he was making, after being strong-armed into watching it by his wife!  I won't repeat them here, but he really did not like the slower numbers. 

Loved this little video of the press room's reaction to Moldova! 



And this if fun, of UK Sam at Heathrow.  I love the fans trying to sing and not hitting the notes!  But he does seem such a cheerful guy who is nice to his fans.  He seemed genuinely happy for Ukraine to win over him, and I loved seeing the video of him giving Marius Switzerland a hug when he didn't get any televote points!




 

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