If they were doing it for viewing figures, I don't think they'd have been so passionate about insisting that it wasn't going to happen! 

I am a bit shocked by how boring I find the debate thread. Seems like the same old arguments and opinions over and over again. Fresh thoughts are talked down with the same old comments.

I am out. :-/

I don't think it's boring, but I do think it's different now that the question has been answered. 

I know I'm giving some of the same arguments, and I apologise, but it is difficult when we don't have any new material!  I just don't have any new answers to the points Susi brought up!   (And I don't know if the post that was linked was really a fresh idea.  The idea that "moving on" is ambiguous is right there in the script because it leads into Mrs Hudson's misinterpretation).   I suppose things might mean something different in the light of S4, and maybe there are still things to discuss there, but in the end, I think we do know now that it wasn't intended to be a sexual/romantic relationship.  And that almost puts an end to the argument, or at least a different slant on everything. 

Of course, it's still possible that other members of the crew (not the writers and actors) were shipping them! 

Vhanja wrote:

Schmiezi wrote:

I am a bit shocked by how boring I find the debate thread. Seems like the same old arguments and opinions over and over again. Fresh thoughts are talked down with the same old comments.

I am out. :-/

Well, yes, but I am so desperate to discuss anything Sherlock that I don't mind repeating old stuff. 

Me too, but I think I'll move to tumblr for a while. I did not expect me to feel this way about the forum. I was looking forward to coming back but somehow I am not as enthusiastic as I should be.

Yeah, well it is too quiet here for my taste, I think there still is plenty to talk about.

I am glad they didn't end up in a sexual relationship. That doesn't mean they don't have a romantic relationship. Or that I wouldn't fancy an "I love you" from one to the other. ;)
It is difficult to explain in what kind of relationship I "ship" Sherlock and John.
I don't know, I got the impression that a huge part of the hardcore fandom (and some people here in this forum?) is bitterly disappointed that they didn't get their Johnlock ending/kiss/sexual relationship/gay outcome/whatever by the end of series 4. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think for example of the great YouTube channel Rebekkah and her TJLC and the community behind this.

But I for myself LOVE it, I really really honestly love it where series 4 brought our two main characters, see their interaction and character development!!! I love all the "Johnlock" that we got in series 4. Perfect moments for me. I couldn't have hoped for better. Maybe it is because I am late to the fandom (I joined it when series 3 aired) or that I generally don't like character shippings in fanfictions or I am one of those weird(?) persons who think platonic love to be great. Is platonic an ideal that in reality can't be reached?? 
I suppose the term platonic love comes quite close to what I like for Sherlock and John. But still somehow more than that, more than friendship: a bromance, soulmates, family, yin and yang, being attracted so much by the other that living without the other is not possible.

Oh what I forgot: Whatever that was that Sherlock and Irene had, this unique relationship and there was an sexual aspect to it... I could say this could be the right "thing" for Sherlock and John, although it is not really possible to draw a comparison.

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Yes, but like magnets they attract each other when they are apart.
Their lives being forever intertwined is a  nice expression as well, besley. ;)

Btw in my had canon, Jihn lives again in 221B by the end of series 4. That was my intuition right after/while the first viewing. And it still is. Although it is thinkable for ma as well that he lives somewhere else in a flat with Rosie after a lot of people saw it as the more plausible solution.

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I'm very happy with what we got.  I wasn't expecting Johnlock anyway, but I do think we saw a lot of development in their relationship.  In fact, TLD may be more "about" their relationship than any other episode.  That hug was just perfect. 

But then, I wasn't looking for or particularly wanting a romance (not because I didn't want them to get together, but because I'm not a huge fan of the genre - although there are some romances that are among my favourite films/books, so I'm obviously hugely generalising).  I got what I wanted out of it, and I suppose I can understand why people who didn't were so upset.  Especially with so much resting on it.  I do hope the people in the community who were so invested in it (for their own identity and validation) have not been too upset and found something more rewarding to move on to. 

Anyway, I don't think they are living together at the end of S4, but I don't think it really matters.  They're clearly a partnership, "family", and in my head canon they will be until death .

Let's hope! 

It really was the perfect hug and we need more of that!

Well even if John and Rosie do move in to 221B, I suspect the burden of childcare will fall on Mrs H...so I don't see why she would be any less of a parent than Sherlock.
Unless Mrs H leaves us, of course.