sherlocked wrote:

Hi everyone, have refrained from commenting here for a loong time - almost three years. But couldn't resist to take a few peaks at the new threads today after having watched TST.
I have to agree with those who felt that the whole episode had something unreal about it. I had a very hard time to get into it. But I appreciate how the writers tried to work in very clever hints at canon. I postpone final judgement until I've seen the last episode. It might work better in hindsight. I just didn't enjoy it very much as a standalone episode.
I do not believe that everything was a dream or a figment of Sherlock's mind palace. But the unreliable-narrator theory has some plausibility. And I think that the writers/makers deceived us as well on several occasions. I firmly believe that John's midnight texting ("miss me ....it's been too long") is not a chat with the mystery woman but with an old friend, with whom he hasn't been in contact for a while. There's nothing flirty or erotic about it. It's just our dirty fantasy which adds this connotation, since we have seen John flirting with the mystery woman . But the actual words of the texts make it unlikely that the various texts are exchanged with the same person. So, with whom might John exchange texts after a longer hiatus? Some said it might've been Sherlock, but that's not very plausible, since there has been no recent hiatus. My money would be on Mike Stamford, who couldn't even make it to John's wedding for some reason. Too far fetched? Well, it has been mentioned that Mike Stamford would make an appearance in S4. Why shouldn't he be in the morgue at night and exchange some texts with John from one night owl to another? If true I reserve judgement for now if such an exchange will be relevant in later episodes.
But if John was really texting with an old friend while Mary was tending to the baby's needs, he wasn't quite as callous as we might've thought at first viewing. Maybe that's a comforting thought. He might not have acted so OOC after all.

Hi and welcome. You might be interested in this here:

http://gosherlocked.tumblr.com/post/155359421226/not-a-cheater-but-a-liar-a-meta

I will have to watch both versions again but there could be some truth in it. 


 

I checked it. The tumblr post is right. The versions are different. This is a fact. 
 

besleybean wrote:

Personally I don't see this at all.
As ever I go for the most straightforward explanation, John was cheating.
Anyhow, none of this fits in with the Mary I believe we are shown.
Sherlock and John were never out to get Mary, they both loved her and tried to protect her.
She in turn loved them.


EDIT: however I have already said, this scene is on my list of ones to watch very carefully tomorrow!

 
Doesn't really tie in with Sherlock meeting John to plan what to do about the new memory stick and what to do with it. The answer being plant a tracker in it before you confront Mary because we don't trust her not to run off with it. Additionally they or at least Sherlock read it first this time.
When they finally catch up with her - Sherlock seems keener for her to return than John weirdly.
John just comments that he used to like her.Everything in the marriage was wrong.

Well they seemed in love when she was dying in his arms and did you actually hear John howling like a dead animal and lashing out and Sherlock and did you see the distress in Sherlock's face?
This is exactly what I mean,
Some people did not like Mary, I get that. But can she not now be left to rest in peace?
Of course there were issues in the marriage, many people have issues and get over them...this marriage didn't have time to do that.
The one time I would expect there to be problems was when a newly married couple have a surprise baby and it is very common for men to cheat in those circumstances.


Susi: thank you for explaining that.  I will try and watch the scene properly tomorrow.  I would love to be wrong about the cheating. 

Last edited by besleybean (January 3, 2017 10:09 pm)

Susie, thanks for the tumbler link. Interesting post. It comfirms my suspicion that the text exchanges aren't what they seem to be. That said, I'm not emotionally invested whether John actually has an affair or not. But the whole sequence of pictures and texts doesn't add up logically IMO.
I think it's unlikely that he works undercover with Sherlock, though. If this idea holds water it will probably be something more sinister. Sherlock has to save him after all.

That's the funny thing for me sherlocked, I'm not really that over caring about John or his life.  I am almost 100% a Sherlock girl.
The show is very clever and things are't always as they seem, I know.
But I just sometimes get a bit fed up with certain characters being continually attacked...even when they're dead.
Also, we have had whole complicated discussions about things before and they have indeed proven to be continuity errors.
So who knows?

Edit: actually yes on further consideration, I agree.  The whole bus scene was very much set up like spies exchanging information or being given missions etc...it will be interesting if it does play out further in future and I suppose I have to admit that it would be nice if John hadn't cheated...tho for now, I'm not convinced.

Last edited by besleybean (January 3, 2017 10:17 pm)

Yes, I remember people talking about this during setlock. And it would be a nice move to disguise undercover work as an affair. 

Who did attack a character here?? We are just trying to interpret what we have actually seen, since it's ambiguous in some people's opinion. But I don't think we need to get wound up about this. Fairly soon all this will hopefully get cleared up.

It is all fine, sherlocked. We had some very heated character discussions over the years and they tend to pop up again now and then. 

Ok, Susi, I admit freely that I missed three long years