I genuinely liked this episode from beginning to end. After the disappointment of Series 3, it was exactly what I needed. A bit of darkness.

John has a weird relationship with Sherlock. He partly seem to put him on a pedastal where he is always right and should be more or less perfect, something he can never live up to. And then he partly sees him as this big man-child that needs help with social cues (which is partly true).

I just... I've always been able to defend John, always been able to see his side of things easily. But not here. John is a grown man, a soldier. He KNOWS that making "a wow" isn't a guarantee, not for anyone. Not even Sherlock Holmes. I don't get this.

Sherlock Holmes wrote:

ewige wrote:

Liberty wrote:

I had a question - did it start just after Sherlock got off the plane?  And they said he was "clean"?  So TAB wasn't drug-induced?  Or was it meant to take place later?

I think they came directly from the plane and Sherlock said he was fine but acted really high.

Sherlock claimed he was clean but was acting totally hyper and off his face. It was pretty funny. He was clearly high on more than just a case.

Sherlock was high AF.
 

Yes, John was blogging! Why didn't we get to see his last blog?

Liberty wrote:

I'm maybe overly suspicious about bus-stop lady - why is she is targeting John? 

 

I'm suspicious of everyone right now. She's probably an agent of Moriarty. We all know John gets no luck with women. He has worse luck than Molly.

What kind of recurring dream do you think Sherlock has?

Oh, the little flashback to child Sherlock and Redbeard!  Mycroft is right about Sherlock these days - it's pretty much all sentiment. 

Nice little pun that Sherlock and the child were playing "Happy Families" and John and Mary's relationship crumbles. 
 

Okay I'm just gonna drive straight in.
I learned my lesson after TAB, not to try and go through everybody else's posts and react to them, first!
At least this time I am not having to get home late from the cinema, that will happen after the third one!
Well I thought it was brilliant, upsetting, but really good.
I deduced that it wasn't Mary who was the traitor, but I didn't guess the right traitor...how could I?
Important things first:  actually, the things that I got wrong-
1.  I was wrong about Rosie dying.
2. I didn't guess that John's eyes would wander.

But I am absolutely delighted about all of the following:
I always knew that Mary genuinely loved John and wanted to make a fresh start...other than helping out Sherlock and then obviously intervening when she felt she had to.
I am so glad I was right that there was never anybody before John, yes she really was pregnant, yes Rosie is John's child and NO there is no other secret child.
I guess we all kind of knew Mary's past would catch up with her.
Interestingly with her death, I was kind of right with TWO of my predictions:
1.  She was kind of an accidental victim( tho that woman had wanted her dead), but just like I did state on here:  Mary completely exonerated herself by taking a bullet fro Sherlock. PLUS she properly apologised to Sherlock and even stated how much she genuinely cared for him.
So yes, I am also proud that I was correct in my interpretation that Sherlock and Mary had a really good relationship.
I am sorry we have lost Mary.  She was a great character and was so important to John personally and to his life.
Oh I suppose that was something else we had all kind of worked out: John's guilt(well maybe we didn't know about that bit)has turned into anger and Sherlock is in the firing line. I do think they will reunite.  But I think people might be pushing it, if they are hoping for some massive reconcilaition scene at the end of the series.
I do hope Mary's message to Sherlock helps reunite the boys.
What else did I like about the episode?:  the mention of Sherrinford.
Oh and I was rather glad that Lady B didn't turn out to be a baddie!
I will now look back at all of your comments to date.

EDITS:
1.  Okay I hope we now all realise the woman didn't aim at Mary.  She was trying to shoot Sherlock and Mary jumped in the way.
2. Yes, Sherlock with the psychiatrist was heartbreaking.
3. Sorry, for me Mary's story is complete.  The message at the end?  Just asking Sherlock to take care of John...that is the case. I am certain she does not mean she wants Sherlock to go to hell, only that he may need to, to protect John.
4. For me the drug question is still an open one...will they come back to this?
5. I see people really are thinking Sherlock provoked the woman, trying to be clever...well I suppose he did.  Was he playing for time? Did he think he could get to her, to break her? But yes, he seems to mark it as another of his great errors.
6. I genuinely do not understand peoples problem with S 3.  it was brilliant: well written, only this allowed me to make all of the correct predictions about Mary.  A woman who was trying to turn her life around for the man she loved. This is the only trope I ever saw.
7. Before the fall out, I genuinely think Sherlock and John were okay.  Of course there was only so much time for Sherlock in John's life: if you're married, with a new baby and having an affair... there is only so much time for you best friend.
8. Personally I do not think Mary planned to die, she simply knew it might well happen. I also think we need to give Mary the credit she is due, in her selfless act to save Sherlock.
9. Just a general comment: why are people surprised at mysteries and loose ends in a detective series?!
10.  And hell yes it was dark...and isn't this supposed to be the lightest of the three?!
11. Oh hell I do myself down, I forgot the biggest of all:  JUST as I have always maintained- The whole of the CAM arc was REAL.  Yes Sherlock did execute him, but of course big bro covered it up. I never really did go with the whole extended MP thing.
12.  I really don't think John and Mary's relationship was that bad you know.  They would have worked things out.  It was clear on Mary's death, how much they loved each other and wanted to stay together. Incidentally I never doubted Mary would die, it's canon. I always knew John loved this flawed woman, because maybe he knows how it is to be flawed?  Maybe we should trust his instincts.

Last edited by besleybean (January 1, 2017 11:19 pm)

Sherlock Holmes wrote:

We all know John gets no luck with women. He has worse luck than Molly.

That's not quite true, though? In S1 and S2, he dated quite frequently. Even charmed Sarah to the point of ending a well-deserved talking-to into a date. 

Then again, I do agree that I don't trust anyone at this point.

I'm new here but after this episode I just HAD to find a discussion Forum to talk about it.
I'm not sure if it was the fault of the leaking stream I was watching it on but the episode seemed weird somehow. I'll have to rewatch as I probably have missed some details and there were so many...anyway, mary's death didn't completely convince me, the repitition of the phrase "IF I'm dead..." and the resamblance to Sherlock's fake death...
Then the "visions" Sherlock seemed to be having...
All in all an episode full of suspense but lacking Sherlock and John.
Sorry for my bad englisch, it's even worse after this disturbing episode.