Yes. For example Mary wore the thumbs up / down shirt and this season is wearing cherry blossoms which I belive symbolically tell us quite a bit.
Some quote on the observance of trifles.. comes to mind.

What I mean, Susi, is that there is nothing to write about if it's right there on the screen.   If I do see Sherlolly, then yes, I might write about how Sherlock has fallen for someone in other adaptations, look at nuances, colours, etc.  But if I don't see it, then there's nothing really to write about - there's nothing that I would use to "prove" Sherlolly doesn't exist other than it just not happening in main text. 

I'm trying to think of other parallels ... for instance, I was speculating about Sherlock (or Mycroft, who is more ambiguous), being a villain at one point.  It would be really good fun to go through and try to find hints for that in the other episodes (and if there was a community dedicated to that, with lots of intelligent, educated and enthusiastic people, it would be even more fun!).  Now, I think it's perfectly valid to speculate that they might be villains and that that has been foreshadowed and the story that has been told all along.   But at the moment, that's not maintext, there on the screen.   So there's nothing to really write about why they're not villains.  There's nothing to prove, so far.  It's just a case of accepting and waiting to see what happens - but obviously, it's not going to be particularly interesting to compare to other adaptations in which they didn't turn out to be villains, etc. 

I am not sure how? Use colour schemes and mirroring as "proof" Johnlock won't happen? 

The thing is, none of those things are needed to show the friendship.  It's right there on the screen, it's overt. 

Your other point about pre-TAB speculation - I wasn't part of that, but my guess is that even if it wasn't about Johnlock, all/most of the people involved were part of the Johnlock community, and so motivated to write about it, discuss it, get feedback, etc.   There isn't a non-Johnlock community in that sense, as far as I'm aware, and as I say, it would be kind of pointless (nothing to prove).   I'd guess that at the moment, the vast majority of S4 speculation/metas are coming from the Johnlock community again, for the same reasons! 



 

I'm sorry if I came across that way, that was not my intent. I honestly am not sure how you mean a non-Johnlock meta should work.

Also, I thought you knew my stand about Johnlock by now. I have said numerous times that I have no trouble understanding how certain scenes can be interpreted as being Johnlock-y. Also, I don't have access to S4 or the mind of Moftiss, so I can't say that "it won't happen". (Although several Johnlockers on Tumblr seem to be quite certain that it "will happen").

What I meant was in the context of those who should write a non-Johnlock meta. How would they write a meta about something they don't think will happen? Write a meta to prove something doesn't - in their opinion - exist?

That is true. I can imagine it comes from the belief that it will happen in the show. And so they analyze it more than those who "just" ship it for themselves to find signs to support their belief.

I think we can be fairly certain that the series will end with John and Sherlock at 221b. I also do not see either of these two men becoming romantically involved with any other person. The relationship between them is already ambiguous enough that explicit depiction need not necessarily happen. It would however be the best and most logical conclusion. It wouldn't surprise me if 04 ended ambiguously and then 05 started up with a done deal not needed to be fussed about but obviously sharing a bedroom or something.

I certainly think that the vast majority of people that support or believe in a Johnlock ending are intelligent, polite and well mannered. No matter the fandom or the belief there will always be a few trolls though.
Unfortunately.

To be honest, Schmiezi, I think it would be very, very few if any.   The Daily Mail would probably try to drum up some outrage, but I don't think the general public would be bothered. 

If it doesn't happen ... it will be interesting to see.  It does seem that TJLCers are saying that it will definitely happen in S4, and also it looks like there may be a long break after S4, so I wonder if that will just be the end of the conspiracy theory aspect?   There's no reason to stop shipping them, but I suppose people wouldn't see it as endgame any more.  I wonder if the community could just continue though, talking about what "should" have been, maybe seeing it as an unexpected change of direction forced by overseas marketing, and still finding the clues hidden in the subtext. 

I remember in another fandom, a point was resolved after years, and although it was good to know for sure, it kind of sadly meant no more interesting debate and discussion!    I would really miss that here, so I have mixed feelings about S4 confirming one or another.  It might be more fun to not have it resolved!  I think that in the end, though, it would be good to know, because of how much it affects the story. 

If people leave the show because Johnlock doesn't happen - or leave because it does happen - that doesn't bother me too much. We all have our limits to when a show stops being interesting, and I think the right thing to do is to just silently walk away and do something else.

What worries me, is if they don't just silently walk away, but kicks up a fuss towards Moftiss. They have created a great series, and I don't think they deserve receiving a lot of crap from people who feel some sort of entitlement towards Moftiss, that they "should have" created the show they want to see. There is very little when it comes to fandoms that makes me as outraged as that.

Some interesting thoughts about representation (not from a teenager):

http://sherlockedgay.tumblr.com/post/154976476199/why-queer-fans-deserve-better-on-queerbaiting-and

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