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nakahara · December 20, 2016 11:42 pm

nakahara · December 20, 2016 11:43 pm

nakahara · December 20, 2016 11:48 pm

tonnaree · December 20, 2016 11:56 pm

If anyone needs me I'll just be over here in the corner sobbing gently.

Lis · December 21, 2016 12:17 am

So many theories going around now, don't know what to think!

tonnaree wrote:
If anyone needs me I'll just be over here in the corner sobbing gently.

Can I join you?

Mothonthemantel · December 21, 2016 12:19 am

That looks awesome! And painful!
But footage from TRF ?

KeepersPrice · December 21, 2016 2:04 am

Looks like he didn't avoid those cheekbones this time....

ewige · December 21, 2016 5:51 am

Well, good morning to you too, wonderful world.

I think Sherlock is hallucinating. Isn't it Anthea standing behind John typing away at her blackberry?

The bullet slowly reaching Sherlock is somehow scarier for me.

SolarSystem · December 21, 2016 6:06 am

Well, there is a moment where we can see Sherlock's typical 'Mind Palace-gesture'...

...so I guess we'll be getting some MP stuff in the episode.
But I actually do hope that most of the really dramatic stuff is real, including John hitting Sherlock. Not that I'm keen on violence, but if this turns out to be real then something quite amazing/disturbing must be going on between the two. And that's something I really wanna see, one way or another.

ewige · December 21, 2016 6:43 am

I'm all for angst and drama but that punch part seems to be from TLD and I'm prepaired for a lot of MP/hallucinations there. Love Sherlock clinging onto that fence for dear life too!

Dunno. While it may be John whose dark secret is revealed in the first ep, John hitting Sherlock is somehow not as scary in my opinion because, well, the show is about them being the best mates. So whatever angst is there, it will all come to pass.

However, gloved hands (Mary as a nurse?) suffocating Sherlock is very, very scary imo.

SolarSystem · December 21, 2016 7:00 am

ewige wrote:
Dunno. While it may be John whose dark secret is revealed in the first ep, John hitting Sherlock is somehow not as scary in my opinion because, well, the show is about them being the best mates. So whatever angst is there, it will all come to pass.

Of course it will. But there have to be obstacles along the way (as we've already seen in S3).
And I wasn't talking about 'scary' anyway... to tell the truth, 'scary' is a word I'm not using when I'm talking about tv shows. Doesn't mean I don't care, it's just that I'm more for being excited than scared.

ewige · December 21, 2016 7:10 am

But that little choking sound Sherlock makes...

There seems to be a niche behind the portrait in Mycroft's office... or is it a connection to a testing facility/morgue in Sherlock's mind?

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Liberty · December 21, 2016 7:11 am

Well, this is certainly exciting! And I think does hint that there can be big surprises other than Johnlock (to stay on topic)! For instance, John punching Sherlock would fit in with him thinking Sherlock is a villain. Or perhaps John is temporarily a villain? (He's actually my last choice for surprise villain, because I think we need his steadfastness, but I don't want to rule anything out!).

Breakdown with setlock spoilers here: http://thesetison.tumblr.com/post/154742500336/czech-trailer-setlock-breakdown

ewige · December 21, 2016 7:42 am

Thank you for the link!

I've been trying to find out whom the thumb belongs to but couldn't definitely rule out either John or Mycroft or Culverton Smith! All men's thumbs look the same!
However the jacket is probably not Mycroft's or Smith's. Moriarty (or somebody else posing as him) sending the disc to John would make more sense, too. Maybe it contains information on Sherlock that makes John go berserk on him?

Vhanja · December 21, 2016 7:46 am

Oh, wow, I wake up to this! Seems we have to stay vigilante around the clock now!

This is intense, I am VERY excited to see all of this in context!

ewige · December 30, 2016 3:56 pm

SusiGo wrote:
I did not find a better place for this sad piece of news:

http://isitandwonder.tumblr.com/post/155165969381/with-regards-to-bbc-sherlock-no-longer-being-shown

Do we have anyone from Poland here on the board who can confirm this or tell us their opinion?

I could only find listings for BBC Brit, 11 pm.

Well, I can report that Russia's First Channel (equivalent of BBC One) will be showing S4 and this very fact leads Russian johnlockers to believe there will be nothing too overtly johnlocky this season since homophobes in the Russian government are, like, really badass homophobes compaired to the Polish ones.

EDIT;
Oops, did you delete your post, Susi?

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SusiGo · December 30, 2016 4:03 pm

Yes, but it does not matter, we can discuss it anyway. I also read from Russian fans that late in the evening they do show all sorts of stuff from Western countries, including LGBT stuff. So opinions seem to differ. Of course there may be financial reasons but I checked and in Poland even on BBC Brit S4 is shown at 11 pm. Which is really very late.

ewige · December 30, 2016 4:10 pm

SusiGo wrote:
Yes, but it does not matter, we can discuss it anyway. I also read from Russian fans that late in the evening they do show all sorts of stuff from Western countries, including LGBT stuff. So opinions seem to differ. Of course there may be financial reasons but I checked and in Poland even on BBC Brit S4 is shown at 11 pm. Which is really very late.

Hmmpf, S4 is shown in Russia just one minute later than on BBC One so the schedule (Moscow time) is as following:
TST: 23:31
TLD: 00:01
TFP: 00:01

The time difference with Poland is smaller so that makes it 23:00 for Poland, I figure.

It's late, but we really shouldn't read too much into that. They can't show the new season ahead of the UK in other countries, can they?

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SusiGo · December 30, 2016 4:14 pm

True, I did not think of the different time zones.

From a Polish fan on Tumblr:

"OH YES, good old motherland
I was thinking about it as well. In October there was info about Sherlock on TVP2 channel website. Nothing big, just the fact that it exist and they air it. Now it’s gone.
WHERE. DID. IT. GO
and of course I can’t imagine ‘discussing gay stuff’ being shown on public tv now."

ewige · December 30, 2016 4:36 pm

I don't know, I think governments don't need to resort to such means to stop "gay propaganda". Since people can watch the show elsewhere too, the best way would be to change people's opinion of such things in subtler ways.

Like, by making religion really popular. Among other things, that happened in Russia in the shortest span of time and now my LGBT (!) friends explain me how gay men are phaedophiles and that Europe is swamped with propaganda. And these friends of mine used to be really intelligent people, like teachers and professors, so you'd think they know from history how propaganda works. But I could rant about this for ages.

There is an interesting statistics on Russian fans' opinion of Sherlock's sexuality (the poll was created after the first season aired and is still active), found on the main hub of all things Sherlock in Russia (https://vk.com/serial_sherlock) so we have both casual viewers and die-hard fans there:

https://vk.com/topic-20104194_23205808

It would be interesting to compare these stats to a European country.

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