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- besleybean
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@Susi. And of course the Team have already said that 'The Other One' does not necessarily refer to another sibling.
@kgreen. Both these seem popular hopes. But on the latter, I have opined before an indeed I remain unsure as to what John backstory we need and why.
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In my opinion, 'the other one' does not refer to another sibling. The exact sentence was: "I'm not given to outbursts of brotherly compassion, you know what happened to the other one". I believe that the person Mycroft is talking about is somebody who was compassionate towards Sherlock, and got in deep trouble because of that.
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I still feel the team are playing a bit fast and loose with that one...but thy are very clever and we have to allow them some artistic licence!
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besleybean wrote:
@Susi. And of course the Team have already said that 'The Other One' does not necessarily refer to another sibling.
@kgreen. Both these seem popular hopes. But on the latter, I have opined before an indeed I remain unsure as to what John backstory we need and why.
Well, when you think about it, we really didn't need to know who Sherlock's parents were either, did we? In canon, the reader never got to find that out; Arthur Conan Doyle didn't deem it important. But BBC decided that we would get to find out what kind of parents that Sherlock and Mycroft had, even though that was not really necessary to the storyline. I would love it if we could also find out what kind of parents John and Harry previously had; I'm assuming that they're dead, so it would not be possible to show them with John, except in flashback sequences.
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I think in this version of Sherlock Holmes it may be important to know his parents. And since at least Timothy is in the S4 cast and they have looked for a child Sherlock there surely will be more to come about his past. About what made him like that.
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The knowledge we were given of Sherlock's parents and the tidbits about his childhood have added to his characterization as one of the two main characters, and that can only help us as the viewing audience in responding to him. Knowledge of John's childhood and of his parents would add to his characterization in the same way, although his parents cannot be shown as spending time with him in the present for obvious reasons.
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BTW, I am not sure if we need to know more of John's background. Still, I'd love to get more of it. John, like Sherlock is an interesting character to me, and knowing what made him is something I find fascinating.
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Well, he and Sherlock are the two stars of the show, and added knowledge of both of their backstories would help us all.
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I would love to know more about both of their backgrounds!
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"... What made you like this?"
" ... Nothing made me. I made me".
We still haven't had the answer to the question "why" ... why did he make himself like this? It's possibly hinted at ("Redbeard"), but I think that might be one of the directions going over the past will go - answering that question.
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Exactly, that line has made my scalp prickle like mad!
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"... What made you like this?"
" ... Nothing made me. I made me".
We still haven't had the answer to the question "why" ... why did he make himself like this? It's possibly hinted at ("Redbeard"), but I think that might be one of the directions going over the past will go - answering that question.
I, on the other hand, would really like to know what John meant when he described Sherlock "what made you like this".
Like what? What was so unusual about Sherlock that would justify this question?
TAB Sherlock didn´t seems that unusual to me, tbh....
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But this is modern Sherlock imagining the question. We must not forget that all we see are his dreams, fears, hopes, expectations, not John's. In the end there is no Victorian Sherlock.
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Yes, I tend to forget that.
Is Sherlock questioning his own sexuality then?
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I took it to be mainly about choosing to be alone. It is kind of unusual to deliberately avoid any romance/sex at all, whilst having those desires, but being determined to make people think you're above it all!
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I think Sherlock is questioning quite a lot about himself in this episode. His distance from emotion and sexuality, his attitude towards Mary and his brother, his connection with Moriarty ...
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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes
"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)
“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)
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Agreed. I think "Watson"'s question is a little more specific, but yes, the whole episode seems very introspective, particularly about the things you mention. More "clues" for S4!
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Yes, there are a lot of things that have to be answered.
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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes
"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)
“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)
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I just noticed something strange from TRF. Do you think this means anything?
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An old enemy coming after Sherlock?
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