Vhanja wrote:

I get the feeling that when S4 hits, I might not want to be on any Johnlock-related threads on this forum. (And as with Johnlock, I would love to be proven wrong).

See it like that: John is married and will soon be a father. He has forgiven the woman who almost killed Sherlock. And yet, there are still Johnlockers who believe that love will conquer all.

So what could happen in S4 to change that? If you want to see hope for Johnlock, you will always find it until the final episode is aired. No matter how dark the situation between John and Sherlock will be, creative Johnlockers will come up with fix-it fics soon.

Me too! I can't wait for S4!




 

Last edited by Vhanja (September 4, 2016 12:31 pm)

And some more:

• Why does Sherlock say 'don’t feel obliged to tell that that was amazing or wonderful; John’s already expressed that in every variant available to the English language’?
Trying to show off.  Also I think John is a kind of base for him - he judges himself, to some extent, on John’s opinion of him.  I think we see this at other times.

• Why did Sherlock say 'don’t be absurd’ when Mycroft assumed that he loved Irene?
Because he genuinely hasn’t quite recognised his feelings at that point - it’s only then that it dawns on him that he’s slipped up due to falling for her.  But you can see by his face that Mycroft has hit the mark.

• Why did Sherlock randomly say 'I suppose John Watson thinks love’s a mystery to me’ in the middle of a conversation that had nothing to do with John and was about love and sentiment?
Because Sherlock and love have been a mystery to John throughout the episode, and because he’s overheard John and Irene talking about this (and also, perhaps, because John’s his blogger - John provides the public view of Sherlock).  And of course, because he sometimes sees himself through John.

• Why does Mycroft consult John on matters of Sherlock’s heart?
Because John is closest to him.  (Who else would he consult?  I don't really understand why it wouldn't be John.)

• Why did John look relieved and smile when Sherlock said 'why would I want to see her again?’?
He doesn’t want Sherlock to be heartbroken.

• Why did the gay couple that own the inn in Dartmoor assume that Sherlock and John were a couple?
For the same reason as Mrs Hudson and Angelo - they are doing something that couples do, going on a country holiday together.  Yet another of the “gay jokes”. 

• Why did John not correct them?
He was giving up by that time.  He does actually start to correct them, but seems to think it's pointless.  (It could also have been because this was a gay couple aligning themselves with him and Sherlock and denying it would reject that alignment.).  

• Why did Sherlock smirk at John when he pulled rank?
He was proud of him.  John independently sees a way to use his own skills and attributes for the case ( with risk to himself if he’s caught).  They are working as a team here.

Last edited by Liberty (September 4, 2016 6:42 am)

I humbly suggest the team already had their plans for Mary.
I certainly do not think they need any ideas from fans, regardless of how brilliant they are.

I think the team are very aware of the fandom.
But at the end of the day, I do believe they write their own show how they want to and frankly, I wouldn't want them to do it any other way
I actually wouldn't want them to give me what they thought I might want...I doubt they would achieve that anyway!
But in sharing their vision, I am delighted to enjoy it.

But does it make such behavior any better? Because people made this before?

JP wrote:

But does it make such behavior any better? Because people made this before?

Susi only pointed out that Sherlock fandom in the 19 century behaved far worse than a contemporary one, not that such behaviour is acceptable. 
 

besleybean wrote:

Ian was certainly very upset about the treatment Mark received on Twitter and hence his long post upon the subject of Johnlock and a sense of fan entitlement. He appeared to consider it a form of bullying.

I believe he probably received a very vile post indeed. But as I already pointed out elsewhere, it´s really hard to judge the content of the post only Ian Hallard has read. 

A few more:

• Why did John say 'you with your… Cheekbones and turning your collar up so you look cool’?
He’s aware of Sherlock’s image.  (And probably likes it while being a little irritated by it!).  He sees it as Sherlock deliberately trying to look cool, whereas Sherlock appears puzzled (he seems to be doing it unconsciously?).  However, I suspect there is some conscious projection of an image with Sherlock.  He is a master of disguise and he is being “Sherlock Holmes”, and I think that if he wasn’t aware of it at first, he certainly becomes aware of the impact of the way he looks.  There’s probably a bit of his self-image in there too - he wants to look cool. Long answer, sorry, but the more I think about these things, the mroe there is to say! 

• Why did Dr Frankland refer to John as Sherlocks’s 'live in PA’?
It could be that he genuinely thinks they’re a couple (as others do), but I think that perhaps he’s trying to block John getting any information from Louise.  It kind of fits with the “gay jokes”, but I suspect this is deliberately malicious (not to insult him, of course, but to scare Louise off.  He’s aware that there is a chance of him getting caught). 

• Why did Sherlock defensively ask 'what about us?’ When Henry said 'look at you and John’?
Henry’s statement implies that there’s something odd about Sherlock.  They’re talking about Henry’s father being friends with Doctor Frankland (possibly two opposites, or a “normal” person being friends with a “strange” person). 

• Why did the papers assume that John is a 'confirmed bachelor’ (euphemism for a gay man)?
Yet another "gay joke".  (In TPLOSH Watson was terrified that he might be publicly seen as gay).

• Why did John say that they 'need to be more careful’?
He explains it.  Because John knows that publicity and courting the press can be dangerous, as they can turn on people.  Which is what eventually happens.  (I think John is puzzled because Sherlock changes from avoiding publicity to courting it.  John doesn’t know it’s part of his plan).  

• Why did John not reply when Sherlock asked why other people’s options of Sherlock upset him?
It’s kind of obvious that John cares about Sherlock, but he’s not prepared to spell it out. (However, this becomes important later, when Sherlock actually tries to convince John that other people are right, and he’s a fraud).

SusiGo wrote:

Referring to your 1st point: I grant you, the upturned coat collar is part of his cool image, as is the "good coat" as a whole. But to mention another man's cheekbones - one of real life Benedict's most beautiful and written about feature and something Sherlock simply cannot change, they are there - is quite telling. 

Actually, he was going to compliment Sherlock's arse but switched to cheekbones at the last minute to save some embarrassment.